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Reasons why I gave this a 5


On the negative side:

1. Too long overall.

2. The whole "security" sub-plot was POINTLESS. What a monster waste of time.

3. The plane sequence was pure dribble. Sure, like the security team aren't going to know a gigantic jet is going to fly over at low altitude.

4. Plenty more Hollywood "impossible to be true" sap.

5. A poster where Damon looks like a plastic doll. Barbie anyone?

On the positive side:

1. Good acting by Freeman.

2. Pretty good acting by Damon.

3. Nice storyline with the prison visit.

4. Nice storyline with the community visits.

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How is he a troll rainbird? I agree with the OP on all points.



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I agree with your first two points. But as for the others, I have some problems.

First, the plane fly over really did happen. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVMlHfloHA (although the security did know about it, which is why I agree with your #2). Second, and along the same lines, it wasn't hollywood impossible to be true because it actually was true. Finally, giving the movie a low rating because of a poster is stupid.



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This is an incredible story but the movie was hokey. I gave it a five also, love the actors and director but the written story line was pieced together like a ole 1940s propaganda movie.

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Are we truly expected to believe that Nelson Mandela cared little else during his first months in power but the rugby world cup? That is what this film would have you believe.


Any intelligent person should be able to put the events of the film in proper context. Obviously, Mandela had tons of other things to worry about in 1994-1995 other than Rugby. But the film focuses on rugby. One of the complains by some people (including the OP) is that the film is too long. If the film were to portray everything that Mandela cared about - or even the major things concerning him politically at the time - this film could easily have been made into a 40-hour mini-series.

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It is silly to think this movie had anything to do with Rugby in any real sense. The movie IMHO was about the political genius of Nelson Mandela to find a way to unite a country of very divergent cultural mores that was coming out of a period of very oppressive apartied. Rugby was only the vehicle he used to accomplish his goal. It could have been ping pong but I admit it wouldn't have nearly as exciting.

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Most big movies these days have HEAVILY photoshopped posters. How does that (or indeed any of the marketing done for a film) bear on the quality of the movie itself? If it annoys you, try to ignore it. The rest of your points are debateable, but perfectly legitimate.

I gave it a 5 as well, but I personally rate movies according to a normal distribution (ie. I rate the majority of movies between 4 and 7 and save the outliers for the fantastic - or the fantastically bad). So my 5 would probably translate to a 7 for most other imdbers.

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I also gave this movie a 5 because it isn't very good! Very good performance by Freeman and okay one by Damon but the rugby scenes are poorly done. If this is someone's first experience of rugby then it has little chance of catching on more globally. It looked choreographed and boring, with little appreciation for the speed and bone-crunching tackles that are in a real game.
Also for those who don't know - in the semifinal, France scored a try in the dying minutes that everybody except the referee clearly saw. Louis Luyt, president of the South African Rugby Union, presented the referee with a gold watch for his effort. Then in the 48 hours before the final a large number of the All Blacks became extremely ill with food poisoning and there is contention over whether this was done deliberately by a staff member at the All Blacks' hotel.

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I think apartheid is interesting period and when they finally make a movie about it with big Hollywood names its not about anything political, its just a boring film about rugby. Should be easy enough to make a movie about the subject, Mandela is epic person and apartheid had well established good guy bad guy setting. Its even about racial segregation favorite liberal subject, making a political drama on the subject should be easy for Hollywood but no.

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I gave this a 2!!
Only because to film a soccer or rugby game in a movie is extremely tough (I think) and based on that your more likely to fail, but if one day someone does manage a great story and to blend in a game I would immediately give a 8 or better, Eastwood did try to give detailed big hits and camera angles but as a rugby follower it didn't have the "it" factor for me.

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I'm giving this movie a 3. I didn't buy the story, at all times I was aware they were trying to sell me this fairytale, unlike good movies where you get caught in the storyline and believe what the actors are saying and doing. Everything here looked so prepared, so faked
The worst part, already mentioned, the security guys, not only because that plot didn't add much to the story but the predictable way things happened; they started hating each other and then, just because of a rugby tournament, they forget years of racial discrimination, and violence and become friends, such a predictable ending, I almost couldn't stand it. Even if this did happen, I think it could have been approached in a different way.
During the final match, there were way too many scenes of people watching the game, it was all the same.
The character of Matt Damon wasn't well constructed, we knew almost nothing about him before the world cup series, we didn't have any glance at his leadership role in the team, how did he inspire the team? just with the few words he says during the game? how did we use the poem or song Mandela gave him? maybe I missed some points but I think we should have seen more scenes on him being a strong leader, an inspiration for his team before the final game.


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I'd say i watch way too many movies and generally know between good and bad, however this movie tried really hard to be one of those good movies that just tried for awards but the movie wasn't good enough for it. In my opinion i reckon this is definately one of clint eastwood's worst directed films and in regard to the rugby match seens....... they were just laughable really, i mean a good movie will imerse you and make you believe it's to a certain extent real, they rugby seens weren't even close to believable. The story wasn't believe and way too hollywoodised in the sense that everything had to be created to be over the top. In my opinion the only scene that could really draw the viewer in was when the team went to train the poor kids. If the movie created more emotionality like that seen then yes it could have been a good movie

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I gave it a 5 too, I think of it as a cross between "In My Country" and "The World's Fastest Indian", but they were far superior films, imo.

This could have been so much better,
the script is boring.edit) I guess it's a good Sunday afternoon family movie).
The swooping camera was cool, but the awkward play was pretty cringeworthy in the rugby scenes. They could have thrown in some more actual players having a real run around, get some tv guys in...
It's Not "Any Given Sunday" for example, in the rugby scenes, and story-wise there's not much discussion of the real world outside whatever room or area Mandela is in.


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People are so quick to think someone should retire. Clint Eastwood is one of the best directors and should definitely not retire, at least not for some time.

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No, heck no, he shouldn't retire. He should do a western by Nick Cave or someone, with every last old cowboy actor left alive, for starters. He just deserves a decent script.

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