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I stopped watching the movie after the scene...


...when he declined 250 000$ because I just couldn't bare it somehow. And now when I came here I found out that he declined 30 millions later in the movie.

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But then you also missed the happy ending.

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Happy ending my ass. Why the hell didn't he go after his ex-wife when that nerd from the inventors club came up to him after the case? Pissed me off more than declining $30 million.



Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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hilarious!!! the film was made precisely as a retort AGAINST people like you! money over morality! money over value. money money money hahaha you poor person

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Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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it wasn't money over morality. it was SH##loads of money over money. the morality took a backseat to his desire to maintain the sole manufacturing rights for the units, which was his downfall from the very beginning.

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He wanted recognition over anything else. I'm sure he would have liked the sole manufacturing rights as well but the recognition is what he really wanted.

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This was a David v/s Goliath story. Did you ever hear about that David lived happily with his wife and children forever after beating Goliath?

Nobody lives forever...

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Happy Ending?????? He lost his wife and children because the companies caused him to be so obsessed with the case, and no one, not his wife or friends supported his conviction to have his name on his invention. To me it is very sad.

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Of course it's sad. Even Kearns told his wife he's rich but alone. Read the OP again: I stopped watching the movie after the scene... ...when he declined 250 000$ because I just couldn't bare it somehow. And now when I came here I found out that he declined 30 millions later in the movie.

Seems pretty concerned with the money rather than Kearn's familial happiness.

From that perspective, Kearns becoming a rich man and getting credit sure seems like a happy ending to me.

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Exactly. The whole thing was the principal! Yes, it's sad that his wife couldn't bear to watch him destroy himself...but that's what happened. It's a true story and life is messy.

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Your principal used to be your alleged pal in school. The word you're looking for is "principle," and those are hard to defend when you don't have the principal to pay the court costs.

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End the invasion

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It was a disturbingly wtf invention anyway... Anyone could of made that if they even tried. 30mil wtf, I'd be happy with 10 bucks for that.

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But he MADE it. The simplest things save lives. It's raining, you're driving...you don't need a distraction.

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"It was a disturbingly wtf invention anyway... Anyone could of made that if they even tried. 30mil wtf, I'd be happy with 10 bucks for that"

The fact is, "anyone" did not "make it", Robert Kearns did. One of the three criteria for receiving a patent is for the invention to not be obvious to someone of average skill in the relevant field AT THE TIME the invention was created. The "idea" of an intermittent windshield wiper was not specifically the reason for the patent, but rather how he made it all work.

In hindsight pretty much everything could be deemed obvious, but fortunately for inventors a good patent lawyer can argue the following:

1. A problem existed
2. The problem was known and acknowledged within the field
3. No "anyones" had previously solved the problem
4. My clients invention works and was the first to solve the problem
5. If the invention was obvious why was the problem not already solved by "anyone" using the same method.

Robert Kearn's invention was the first of its kind, solved a problem, worked (when others had failed), AND was good enough to be copied by most of the major auto makers.

Pay the man his due!!!!

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Yes, at one time his family "gave up" on him. However, they come to realize how dedicated he is to his principals and rejoin his efforts to seek justice.

This begins when his son brings him the coffee and begins to help him go through the endless boxes of files he has in his garage. The son then becomes his legal associate\council when Bob decides to represent himself in court. When the Ford representative comes to his house the final time and offers him $30 million dollars, he asks his family what they think he should do. They tell him to reject the offer and continue with his legal battle. His children all stood behind him in court, so I don't know why people keep saying he "lost his family." He lost his wife, yes, but not his family.


As to goldeneyes question about justice, I have to agree with Mr. Kearns. Accepting the settlement from Ford would be like giving up, saying "Okay, you win. I was wrong, you guys really invented it & I'm just a greedy schmuck." That is not justice. Justice would be setting the record straight. Like you said, "This movie was all about the PRINCIPLE of the matter. You need to give credit where credit is due."

He was not only seeking justice for himself, but he was seeking justice on behalf of all inventors who had their ideas stolen from them. This was shown in the scene where he pulls out a stack of letters he had recieved from other inventors who had been wronged, encouraging him to keep up the good fight. He felt a deep moral committment to those people. Now, how would him accepting millions of dollars do anything to help the other victims of intellectual thievery? By standing his ground, proving and ultimately winning his case, he showed people everywhere that they stood a chance, even against the biggest corporations on the face of the earth.

He ultimately recieved his due recognition, was looked up to by his children, inspired inventors everywhere, and on top of that he got millions and millions of dollars. I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but that seems like a happy ending to me.


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He actually wasn't doing it for any moral reasons, he was trying to get exclusive manufacturing rights. Since over 145 million cars use that design today, that's no small amount.

There's also the scene where he vandalises some man's Cadillac to see GM's design (ultimately, GM's design did not infringe on his patent, so he couldn't sue them).

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Well, you clearly missed the point of the movie. And it's "bear" not "bare". Also, the dollar signs that seem to mean everything to you come before the numbers, genius.

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Well, the only part about the ending that wasn't happy was the fact that he lad lost his wife. I also presume the strain caused by recovering the rights to his invention may have contributed to an early death (2005).

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WTF.. Early death? Wasn't he born in 1926? He was almost 80.

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I do agree that its sad that he lost his wife in the end. I would have gone after her but I guess he felt that it just would not have worked.


"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"

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"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"

A real man is the invention of people who want to promote their opinions on what men should or should not do.

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He died of cancer and was suffering from Alzheimers.

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Being a parent and raising children hopefully the right way, you go through life wanting to do
certain things the right way. What is missed in this discussion is that Bob Kearns did take the money
to show to his kids there are certain fights worth fighting and all you have to get you through life is your own integrity.

What message about life would the kids get if Bob Kearns gave up this fight and took the check. The law suit was never about money. It was about getting credit for the work you did.

We live in this cynical world where money is supposed to be the solution for everything. Yes, that was a lot of money Ford gave Bob at the end of the movie. When you combine the 10 million he received from winning the Ford suit and 17 millions from Chrysler. It comes close to 30 millions anyway. Plus Bob receives the credit for inventing the intermitten windshield wiper.

The money is nice, don't get me wrong. To me, it was the lesson he was teaching his own kids was more important to him.

Yes, it was sad that his wife didn't come home at the end. That would be a Hollywood ending somebody would of not approved. Not everything ends happily ever after.

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He actually wasn't doing it for the credit, he was doing it for exclusive manufacturing rights.

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If you had stuck with it, I think you would have enjoyed the movie on the whole.

But I agree the $250,000 offer was a key scene: it illustrates the consequences of Kearns' rigid self-righteousness. While some may see that as a virtue, any time I meet somebody like that, I'm annoyed just as much as Kearns' wife, psychiatrist, and lawyer (Alda) were. Most emotionally mature people realize that life isn't fair - you find the message in a dozen cliches: you can't always get what you want, get over it, you can't fight city hall, let it go, etc. It's a lesson we should all learn in childhood. The fact that Kearns was ultimately vindicated is nice, but his example isn't necessarily a good one to follow.

I give the filmmakers credit for balancing the picture this way. They could have made it strictly a feel good, underdog-wins, Rocky-type story, but that would have been unrealistic and overoptimistic.

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Geez- Thank goodness there ARE folks out there that did NOT learn those "lessons", aka DEFEATISM, you spoke of from childhood. Evidently there are great minds and people of courage that are willing to go up against all odds due to their principles. There are folks that hold thier truths to be more important than money.

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Yes, people like Hitler, the 9/11 hijackers, John Wilkes Booth... folks who stuck up for their principles "against all odds".

Alright, Kearns isn't in that league. But my point is people who won't budge from an initial position, even when people around them are being hurt, have a rigid view of the world as black-and-white instead of shades of gray. A willingness to compromise isn't the same thing as defeatism.

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It was definetly a grey area kind of situation. Yes, the principle of the matter was very important, but important enough to abandon his family?
All this talk of his family giving up on him misses the point. He made the decision, through his obsession, that being right and proving it was more important to him than was spending time with his loved ones. They stuck with him through an awful lot, but at some point life has to move on...and yes the bad guys sometimes (usually) do win. By dedicating his life to seeing the bad guys lose, all he accomplished was to ruin his own life...sorry but 27 million dollars is not enough to give up ten years of your life and your wife...

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He stated at the end of the movie that all he wanted was for people to see his inventor badge. I think what he did was very commendable. Most people would have just taken the money and ran. He stuck it through to the end. Granted, it cost him his wife and family, but I thought towards the end, his family issues were looking up. Not sure about what happened with this ex wife. I thought the movie was brillant.

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Did nobody on this thread watch until the end? How did he lose his family? I'd say he earned the respect of his children, which is much more than a lot of parents do. He may have gotten a divorce, and fair enough, she couldn't handle the way he did things, but even she had respect for the guy, which is a hell of a lot more than comes out of most break-ups.

Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind.

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blam_web - question - Why you could not bear such outcome?

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Why did you stop watching when he declined the money?

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I dont believe anyone has the right to judge what he did the moment he turned down the money... unless you're an inventor that had your idea stolen. I can not even imagine his anger every time it rained and he had to use or see the intermittent wipers. You can see Fords guilt throughout the movie with their offers. $30 million dollars for him to just go away?? GUILTY!! He didn't want the money he wanted Ford to admit they stole his idea. And the issue with his wife, I see it as the marriage wasn't strong enough to last through the years he was fighting Ford so why would it of lasted after the settlement... money? If she came back after that it would of made her look like she was out for the money, which I dont believe she was. She wanted him back and he wasn't able to give that to her.

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