They Don't Get Much Worst Than This.

ok, so you knew what film to expect, an over the top bloody film.
even though it is so clear what kind of film you were going to see, you watched it anyway?

And comparing this to Planet Terror? do you just not like film where limbs have been replaced by weapons? do you also have a problem with the Evil Dead series?

ok the copy i watched was the original language with english subs. of course over used blood has been used, most stuff has in cinema now, but what about the flying guillotine, drill bra, how about that its use of BOTH Yakuza and ninjas?
there you go, i named 3.

please explain how it wasn't trying to be entertaining???


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I feel sorry for your wife having a husband like you.

Now, I'm going to preface this by saying that I haven't seen the film yet. Your tone, though, is ridiculously condescending. You start this thread with the assumption that you are, somehow, better and more intelligent than anybody who would like the film for any reason. How, seriously, when you start a conversation like that, can you expect anything other than a flame-war to ensue?

I'll actually be watching this tonight, but because I expect it to be good, because seriously, no, but because I expect it to be entertaining. Funny, actually. But, then, I have a morbid sense of humor and, even if I don't like a film, I usually have a blast making fun of said film that I don't like. Easy to please? Probably. I get bored. A less intelligent person than you? Not in any quantitative way that you can prove.

Wee, I'm a chimp.

I wonder, do you think it's impossible for someone who likes The Machine Girl to be entertained by films like No Country For Old Men, The Fall, Bubble, Capote, Before The Devil Knows You're Dead, Citizen Kane, The Godfather, Children Of Men, or There Will Be Blood?

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“Several days ago, I began this thread after watching "The Machine Girl," and since then, periodically stop by to see what others are saying about the movie. Not for nothing, but everyone's entitled to their opinions; and after reading the posts, I can't help but wonder if, when race actually becomes an issue, what the intellect is of one who might find "The Machine Girl" entertaining.”

You sound like my Uncle who tells me the movies I watch are stupid because of their implausibility but thinks "Lord of the Rings" and "Narnia" are masterpieces because they have Christian messages in them and use CGI.

“There ARE such things as bad movies, as long as there are standards that define what makes a movie good; and regardless of how many people liked "The Machine Girl," that doesn't make it a good movie overall, except to the individual viewer.”

I would agree with you on this to a point. However, not all movies strive to be a good movie. Some strive to be good films and are good films. Some strive to be good films and turn out to be bad films. Some, like in the case of “The Machine Girl,” intentionally strive to be a bad movie for the purpose of hitting a specific market. You cannot deny that in this “The Machine Girl” achieves its goal.

“Perhaps some of what makes this movie entertaining, I initially thought might be cultural; but after watching my wifes responses to both "Planet Terror", and "The Machine Girl", It's obvious that it isn't. You see, my wife just happens to be native born Japanese; and while she and I both share the same opinions on both movies (Planet Terror was fun, while Machine girl was just stupid,) we also disagree for example on the original Godzilla; which she loved as a kid, and I hated for its obvious phoniness.”

You’re wife actually is not the intended target audience. The film was produced by an American company who was looking at what was popular among American Asian film fans. Sure the writer was Japanese and it is a very Japanese movie, but it is tailored to American preferences in Japanese films.

Also, I do not like your treatment of Godzilla. I am a huge Godzilla fan and while you can say that about the 60s Godzilla films after "Destroy All Monsters" and the 70s Godzilla movies (except maybe the Mechagodzilla films...that's open to debate), if you are at all referring to the original Godzilla film I think you need to take a closer look. “Gojira” is a masterpiece and a metaphorical take on the suffering of the average Japanese citizen during WWII. There are obvious allusions to the fire raids and the whole movie carries a strong message against nuclear weapons which, if only the world could heed its warning, so much suffering could be avoided. The fact you “hated” Godzilla for “obvious phoniness” shows that you are quite superficial when deciding what film is good and which are bad and focus, like most Americans, on the special effects. Realism is only one small and relatively new view on what makes a film great, and a greatly flawed on at that if made a standard by which all films should be judged. Also, the special effects man behind the Godzilla films from 1954-1969 was none other than the special effects wizard Eiji Tsuburaya who started two special effects booms in Japan and has had an influence on special effects that lasts to this day much like Willis O’Brien. His special effects in the original Godzilla film and in the other Godzilla films he worked on were creative and in many cases revolutionary for the time. He did not have CGI at his disposal and had to find an in camera way to do almost everything except the energy weapons. It was not like today where the special effects director can wimp out and say "they can fix it in post."

“So what does this mean? Obviously and objectively, different people look for different things in a movie. If we compare both movies on a serious note, realistically speaking, neither is plausible; yet at the same time, some of us, like seeing the implausible, at least presented in a believable fashion; While some couldn't care less.”

Sure. Different people look at different things in a film. I agree with you there. Your tone is extremely condescending though (though your word use does show you have a really excellent command of the English language which is something people on imdb forums do seem to lack as a whole).

“As a boy, when watching Godzilla, it was obvious to me that it was a man in a rubber suit-something I might have been able to overlook and enjoy the movie nonetheless, were the creature also engaging in martial arts moves.”

Well, if Godzilla didn’t appeal to you because there were no martial arts moves in it then you should have been watching Ultraman, also by special effects wizard Eiji Tsuburaya. The fact you would watch Godzilla only if it had martial arts moves in it shows you are quite superficial when it comes to films and seem to have a very American view on what makes a film good (realism, martial arts in Asian movies, and “good” special effects are three things Americans seem hung up on when it comes to films)

"Likewise, perhaps "The Machine Girl," at least for me, might have been enjoyable, were it not for the awful dialog and the overdone blood spraying."

That was the point. Have you seen Kill Bill? Have you seen Tarantino’s films (I would assume so if you saw Planet Terror)? Tarantino always rips off Asian films (where do you think the blood sprays in his films come from?) and several of the miniature buildings in “Kill Bill Volume II” come directly from the set of “Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla” (2002). Chiaki Kuriyama is in “Kill Bill” as Go Go Yubari only because she was in the famous Japanese film “Battle Royale” and Tarantino also wanted to get Kou Shibasaki in “Kill Bill” as well because she was in “Battle Royale” as well. The “Kill Bill” films were made entirely as homage to the long line of 70s Japanese female revenge films (which “The Machine Girl” also descends from).

"Planet terror had several creative elements working in its favor. 1. For Americans and otherwise, watching the movie, it had several well known actors-who as such, acted their parts well. 2, and unlike The Machine Girl, it had a dialog that didn't make the individual characters look like morons. 3. Planet Terror weaved several normally separate elements into one story that rather than clash with each-other, mixed well. A.The 70's "B" movie appeal. B.The Zombie element and the gore associated with the zombie genre. C.The rogue soldier element. D.The Biological Weapons Elements. E.The Maniacal Arms Dealer Element. F. The Sex Appeal element. G.The Soundtrack Element. H.The Tastefully executed F/X Element. And lastly, the comedy element of a former stripper, first clumsily plodding along on a table leg to substitute a missing limb- to eventually assisting to combat the forces of evil with a machine gun leg."

Um…yeah, you missed the point of “The Machine Girl” by a mile. “The Machine Girl” has a big name actor (porn star actually) who also starred in “Sukeban Boy” and all the actors acted their parts exactly as they were supposed to. This isn’t a Shakespeare play and it doesn’t pretend to be either. “The Machine Girl” is supposed to have dialogue like that and those of us who liked it knew that from the beginning. 3. “The Machine Girl” weaved several normally separate elements into one story that rather than clash with each-other, mixed well. A. The 70s "B" movie appeal. B. The gore associated with the sukeban revenge film genre. C. The school girl out for revenge on males that have wronged her. D. The ninja yakuza element E. The auto shop workers building the arm gun F. The Sex Appeal element. G. The Soundtrack Element (it isn’t Beethoven but it is what it is supposed to be for this film) H. The rough special effects element. And lastly, the comedy element of a school girl literally blowing apart not just ninja and not just yakuza but ninja yakuza. This is not the first time most of these elements have been mixed together (see the Korean independent film “Killing Machine” and the Rica Trilogy for example).

"I will state preemptively, that I've seen independent films that despite the presence of one well known actor, but rather, good actors with a good script to work with, made an likable film - unlike the Machine Girl, who might have had at least one well known actor (unknown to me,) with shoddy F/X and a poor script."

Again, missing the point. “The Machine Girl” did exactly what it claimed to be doing from the beginning.

"I my opinion, what determines good here, is not folks like myself presumably taking ourselves and life too seriously - rather, folks like yourselves having standards paralleling the chimps need for a tree limb and a banana, to be entertained."

Don’t you call me a mindless chimp. This shows that you have no idea who you are talking about. I graduated film school and I personally consider “Sympathy for Lady Vengeance” to be the best film I’ve ever seen due to its high level script, its realism, its humour, its music (based on Vivaldi), its art design, and the way it hits everything a film snob is looking for in a film. I consider “Battle Royale” to be my favourite film and another modern classic which, despite a bit of a flawed ending in film snob terms, is a truly great film that I feel everyone needs to see at one point in their life as it contains so many good messages that we as a population tend to over look. Other films I consider to be good films (based on film snob standards) are “Gojira,” “Oldboy,” “The Wizard of OZ,” “King Kong” (1933), “Jurassic Park,” and “Jaws” just to name a few. I value film as art and do not like the way the average North American film has become nothing more than a quick way to make a buck. Despite the producers of “The Machine Girl” using the film to make a quick buck, I see within it a true labour of love by the cast and filmmakers, much like I did in “Ebola Syndrome” as well. That is what I feel is lacking in the general American film as of late and it is something no amount of money poured into the film can hide.


It’s ironic that in this age of “tolerance” we are the most afraid of offending people.

I been watching movies for quite along time and there's always going to be that one person who will dislike a film for whatever reason. However, if the majority loves the movie then its all good. My vote is in, I love machine girl!



"See to them, you're just a freak...like me." -Heath Ledger *Joker*-

Well, as the Producer I tell you no one got paid except the cleaning crew, but if you really insist we can cut off your arm free of charge !