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Making a copy of your brain before you die


When the singularity occurs I'm going to have my brain uploaded to a virtual world and ask ppl if they want to cyber me.

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But will they cyber you? or would they be cybering your copy?

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I hope its not a copy, because essentially it is YOU, but not really you. You'd still die, another you would still be alive. But not the original you. It may be a great comfort for your friends and family but essentially you're dead. Personally, i'd like if they'd be able to develop away to not just make a copy but upload your mind into it, so it is actually you.

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Oh my young padawans, you have only glimpsed a small piece of the possibilites.

In programming there is a technology called forking, from "to fork". Essentially a program can create a new addressspace which mirrors itself - it is not a mirror but comes close in effect. It takes no additional resources, it is just a logical construct. Then this different instance is processing data and possibly delivering this data back to the parent process.

Now imagine this method on a digital copy of a human: Instead of doing an boring work for hours you simply fork several instances of yourself and let those child processes work in parallel. In fact it wouldn't need much additional resources because the framework itself is simply reused in a transparent way. Recombining the data output would even allow for "experiencing" several completely different actions at once.

Now that we talk about it, in the science fiction series "Perry Rhodan" (running since 1961) there is a concept of highly evolved super intelligences which gather and recombine humans into super-human but still sub-super-intelligent "Concepts". So while there are little movies out (anyone?) it is a pretty old concept in written science fiction.

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I hope its not a copy, because essentially it is YOU, but not really you. You'd still die, another you would still be alive. But not the original you. It may be a great comfort for your friends and family but essentially you're dead. Personally, i'd like if they'd be able to develop away to not just make a copy but upload your mind into it, so it is actually you.

Well, your brain IS you. Your mind IS the copy. If it was downloaded into 3 copies, those 3 copies will be YOU! But will of course start making different memories from that point onwards, due to experience.

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I hope its not a copy, because essentially it is YOU, but not really you. You'd still die, another you would still be alive. But not the original you. It may be a great comfort for your friends and family but essentially you're dead. Personally, i'd like if they'd be able to develop away to not just make a copy but upload your mind into it, so it is actually you.

Well, your brain IS you. Your mind IS the copy. If it was downloaded into 3 copies, those 3 copies will be YOU! But will of course start making different memories from that point onwards, due to experience.

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Read Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga (Pandora's Star = Book 1 and then Judas Unchained = Book 2) Awesome space operas, with comedy, action and all the themes and ideas you desire, including dealing with storing your conciousness on a chip, so that you can be "re-lifed". Awesome books!

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Yeah, I have heard about a movie or book where your whole personality is stored on a disc, and when you want to have a new body, all you have to do is put the disc inside a new body.

One of the most impressive comics I have read about transfumanism and such is Dark Horse's version of The Dirty Pair.

A quote from a similar thread if it really is you or if it is just a copy:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077745/board/thread/79493006?d=79912564&a mp;p=1#79912564


"In his book The God Delusion Richard Dawkins refers to Shakespeare's seven ages of man:

A philosopher points out there is nothing special about the moment when an old man dies. The child that he once was 'died' long ago, not by suddenly ceasing to live but by growing up. Each of Shakespeare's seven ages of man 'dies' by slowly morphing into the next. From this point of view, the moment when the old man finally expires is no different from the slow 'deaths' throughout his life.




Dawkins also quotes Steve Grand:


think of an experience from your childhood. Something you remember clearly, something you can see, feel, maybe even smell, as if you were really there. After all, you were really there at the time, weren't you? How else would you remember it? But here is the bombshell: you weren't there. Not a single atom that is in your body today was there when that event took place... Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Whatever you are, therefore, you are not the stuff of which you are made. If that doesn't make the hair stand up on the back of your neck, read it again until it does, because it is important."

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For that to happen, this singularity would have to be natural, rather than technological(or rather a natural state of the technological advancements, if such a thing is possible). It would have to be as natural as a bird/tree/ and the whole cosmos.. it would have to appear, unequivocally, as the obvious next stage of our evolutionary advancements. In other words, not be fake.

just my opinion.


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or there would have to be a means to capture the read-only and read-write Identity of a person, including the transfer of their complete symbolic dataset, which includes their mind (read-write), their genetic code (read-only) and their body configuration ... (biotechnology) which turns out to be a very important part of the overall Identity of a person.

See: http://www.wjones.com/Content/files/GeneticsManual.html

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