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Do all gays support gay marriage?


I'm not even being a smartass.



You know what hurts the most is the... the lack of respect. You know? That's what hurts the most.

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I don't think they all do in a sense.

Many are in the closet and many, while they acknowledge that they are gay may not agree with an open lifestyle because of their background or basic fear of what others think. Some cultures don't accept homosexuality and it's hard for those who are gay to be open about it.

They may secretly vote for it but many won't openly support anything that will harm their stature in their community.

Great minds think for themselves!

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Many don't because marriage is basically part of the heteronormativity (as in, an institution invested by control freaks, so to speak) they have been fighting against. But the point, really, is that it's about equality. No special rights, no propaganda. It's about giving to all citizens what they should legally have, no more, no less. Why should the state grant certain rights only to some?

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<< Do all gays support gay marriage? >>

When it is framed as a blunt question, you will get different answers, because honestly, people who have never even had the option of marrying probably haven't given it a lot of deep thought.

But if you go deeper and look at the results of banning gay marriage, there are certain specifics you'd have to address, one by one:

SUCH AS: Do you think a group of people should have federal, financial benefits withheld solely because of their sexual orientation? (Hopefully, the answer is No.) Do you believe that a couple should be denied marriage on a government level because of a majority's religious beliefs? (Hopefully, No. Seperation of Church and State.) Do you believe children raised by a couple benefit from having those parents being married? (Yes.) Does marriage help keep couples together, and benefit their long-term health and well being? (Yes.) Has freedom to enter into marriage been defined as a basic human right by the Supreme Court? (Yes.) (This came out of court cases that tried to keep the incarcerated from marrying, and of course, Loving v. Virginia.) Did both Mildred Loving, the plaintif in Loving v. Virginia, and Coretta Scott King say that gay mariage was a Civil Rights issue, just like the challenges to antiquated and unfair laws forbiding blacks and whites from marrying were? (Yes.)

Etc. etc. etc. All this, and much more, is discussed by extremely respected experts in the court transcripts for the current California case, Perry v. Schwarzenegger. Go Here: http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/our-work/hearing-transcripts/

Getting through all the transcripts is rather daunting, but very informative. They bring up points most ordinary people (such as myself) have not considered.

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Personally... I don't care about the idea of marriage... as long as I have equal rights, the church can shove their marriage where the sun don't shine... but it more than just the equality issue...

I am also pissed at the way some fundamentalist talks about protecting marriage as if the institute of marriage belongs only to the Christian tradition or that only their traditions count...

Marriage is still marriage regardless of whether a religion recognize it or not... and to say otherwise is to insinuate that marriage of none Christian are equally invalid...

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Oddly, some do not. I have met a handful of gay and lesbian people who are against it.

When I meet an individual who happens to be gay and does not support the right for all people to marry according to who they love, I keep them talking until I learn what their religious upbringing was. Without fail, the people I've spoken to have one thing in common: conservative religious upbringing within a "traditional" (I'd say backward) culture. Think of people who come from backgrounds where the societal makeup is white, rural, and Pentecostal, white, rural, and Assembly of God, black, rural, and Southern Baptist, or Mexican, rural, and Catholic. It's the kiss of death for healthy social change.

I don't want to present the above as anything other than anecdotal information based on my personal experience. It's not like I did a controlled study of various demographics.

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People are people. Not all straight people get married or want to get married. Obviously, the same goes for gay people. When some States have passed laws allowing gay marriage, there are people lining up to get married. Not all marriages (straight or gay) have a "religious" ceremony. Atheists are allowed to get married. Adults should be able to marry other consenting adults. Period. If you don't want to get married, don't get married. "Other" people shouldn't dictate who or if YOU should get married. Pretty simple.

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