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A slog to watch and a waste of Imogen Poots (spoilers)


Sophia Takal's film gets bogged down by the bluntness of its message about toxic masculinity - she tries to convey her film's theme so forcefully that she ends up talking down to her audience.

Adding to that, the film isn't scary, and lacks any inventive set pieces or striking visuals to fall back on.

It also really doesn't deserve the 'Black Christmas' moniker - it has nothing to do with Bob Clark's 1974 horror classic. It isn't a "loose remake", as advertised. If anything Takal's film feels like an American interpretation of Argento's 'Suspiria'.

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Just watched it, and sort of agree.

Felt too blatant in tackling an issue like toxic masculinity. I'm sure they meant well and intended to make a movie that empowered women, but like you say it just felt too blunt. Not very well done. Having a cult of rapey men felt like they were reducing characters to bad stereotypes.

If you look at the original 1974 movie, you had one character (Sergeant Nash) who existed for the sake of comedic relief, most of the other characters felt authentic. The female characters in particular felt real. Not all perfect, but humans aren't in real life. Jess stood up to her boyfriend on the abortion issue, and had various scenes where she had to be brave against frightening odds. The women were cool in 1974, the 2019 film it felt forced.

To give the movie some credit, the acting was fairly good. The female leads in particular felt like they were doing the best they could with the material. And there was a couple of decent references to the original.

It just felt, I don't know, that they were fixing a problem that didn't exist in the original. I'm all for kick-ass women. That's pretty standard in the horror genre. Here, it felt forced, not subtle and was pretty much the entire plot of the movie. With a decent plot, it could've been good. Take notice of previous horror movies where young women win the day, without making a big deal of their gender. That way it'll just seem normal.

You get the impression that the makers of this movie didn't realise that the final girl trope has existed since the 1970s.

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One of the biggest issues for me was that by reducing the characters to such thin stereotypes, it made them difficult to empathise with.

The themes really overwhelmed every other aspect of the film.

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Interestingly, I was looking at the imdb page for this movie and I came across this in the trivia section;

'Sophia Takal originally pitched to Blumhouse a remake of I Spit on Your Grave (1978), a feminist revenge flick, but they couldn't obtain remake rights and she was instead offered the chance to remake Black Christmas (1974). Takal was looking forward to making this film more feminist than the original film was, as she perceived its ending to be "misogynistic". '

When this movie was first announced, I thought the announced plot of women taking down men that were terrorising them sounded quite I Spit On Your Grave-ish. So maybe that explains why the 2019 Black Christmas was the way it was. It was originally using themes from a different, much less subtle rape and revenge movie.

Out of interest, I wonder what part of the original Black Christmas Sophia Takal found to be misogynistic. The literal ending is when Jess is asleep, and we see that Billy is still upstairs so we know the killer wasn't Peter. I assumed she didn't mean that, but meant something more about the confrontation between Peter and Jess being misogynistic. But I can't honestly think what part of that was so bad?

On other other hand, much though I liked the I Spit On Your Grave movies, I could see how people would see misogyny there. It's a movie about women being raped. Yes, the women are the heroes of the story, win in the end and gain brutal revenge. But it seems an odd attitude to reference I Spit On Your Grave, but then blame the original Black Christmas for anti-female sentiment.

I say that as a male, so may have missed the point somewhere. And obviously, am assuming IMDB is reporting this correctly. But still, seems an interesting take, shall we say?

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I'm a massive fan of the original 'Black Christmas' and I agree that the creepy twist ending of the film - Jess is left at the mercy of Billy, who is still lurking in the attic - isn't misogynistic.

Yes, it does sound like Takal pitched a feminist horror movie remake and then tried to shoehorn that angle into the only intellectual property she was offered. It's a shame, because it seems like it's still quite difficult for filmmakers to get movies with feminist-themes green-lit by studios.

The bad ones (Paul Feig's 'Ghostbusters' reboot, for example) seem to impact the success of the good ones ('Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)' was surprisingly good).

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I've heard people refer to slasher movies as misogynistic before, and though I often don't agree with this assessment, I can sometimes understand how people might hold that opinion.

For example, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre has long periods of time where the female lead is running away and screaming, before being rescued by a man. Much though TCM is one of my favourite movies, and I think the slasher genre has moved on since then in terms of female characterisation, I can understand if people used that as an example of sexism.

But with the first Black Christmas, I can't think of anything that might even be considered sexist. Even in error. Yes, the victims were predominantly female. But they weren't portrayed a helpless, useless eye-candy. If anything they were real characters being brave in a difficult situation.

In a lot of later slashers, you could argue that the fact that there was a lot of female nudity was sexist. But that wasn't present in Black Christmas either.

I literally can't think of anything about the 1974 movie that was sexist, or needed fixing in that way.

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