But I just don't want to see them, kiss, ok?
I'm not racist.
But in movies where I see black people kiss I just have to turn my head. I have nothing against it, like I said I'm not racist, but I just have no desire to see them kiss, ok, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But i'm totally 100 percent ok with black people.
lol, I just love the ridiculousness of posts like that. And they talk about the US being prudish :)
shareClever post. Thank you for making this point.
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That's just dumb. As a man, I don't like kissing other men, and that's the reason why I don't like seeing two men kissing. It has nothing to do with hating their sexual orientation. It is absolutely fine if they like whomever they like. That doesn't mean I like watching them making out or f@cking.
shareAnd I'm sure that the racists in the town I grew up in would say, "As a white person, I don't like seeing black people kiss white people. It has nothing to do with hating their race. They can kiss whoever they want. That doesn't mean I like watching them making out with white people, or f@cking them."
If it makes you uncomfortable to watch two men kiss, it makes you uncomfortable. There may not be any way for you to change that. But if it bothers you to the point where you feel the need to announce it on a message board, and/or it actually affects your overall enjoyment of a movie, then you have some issues.
Your analogy is absolutely failed. Assuming that an heterosexual man who dislikes seeing two men kissing each other is the same as someone who dislikes seeing black people kissing white people, is the same as assuming that heterosexuality equals racism. It is not the same. It is in the NATURE of a heterosexual male to reject another male. It is in the NATURE of a heterosexual male to dislike penises and reject the kiss of another male, but it is certainly NOT in human nature to dislike people of other races. Intolerance towards people of other races is just a product of our social history.
It is the dumbest thing to think that everything must be black or white. Your way of thinking that everyone must agree 100% with you, or else they are 100% against you is absolutely dumb. It is dumb to think that if you are pro-gay marriage, then you must also like seeing two men kissing or you must also agree that homosexuality is biological. Guess what, I'm 100% pro-gay marriage and even adoption and I still don't like seeing men kissing, and I don't think that homosexuality is a biological thing, how about that?. If that's too hard for you to understand then there's something wrong with you.
And by the way, I never said I disliked this film because there are men kissing each other in it, I haven't even seen the film, but people like you is one of the reasons why there is still a lot of intolerance towards homosexuality. You and christians.
Guess there was something seriously wrong with the nature of all them greeks, romans and people who used common showers, right bubba?
shareLet me put you in context, because you seem to be missing the point entirely. Seeing a naked man is in no way the same as kissing a man, f@cking a man, seeing two men kiss, seeing two men f@ck, etc. Seeing a penis is not the same as seeing a penis in a sexual act either. Still, there are A LOT of heterosexual men who don't feel comfortable seeing dicks, even if it is in a public bath or whatever, it's not like the first thing they voluntarily look at is the penises. Heterosexual men simply don't like dicks. Simple as that.
And by the way, ancient Greeks and Romans are not exactly a good example of morality, even if they were the founders of western philosophy.
No, you stated "It is in the NATURE of a heterosexual male to dislike penises and reject the kiss of another male" which is not true. If you had said the majority of heteros/rednecks/people of certain cultures that's fine, but to claim it is heterosexual "nature" is ridiculous.
shareNope. It is not. We are OBVIOUSLY talking about a sexual context here. Of course I can give my dad a kiss of good bye or see a penis without it being a big deal. Does that have anything to do with two men kissing in a romantic way or having sex? No? That's what I thought. Don't try to take this conversation out of context just to prove your invalid point. And YES, it is in heterosexual nature to reject men (in a romantic or sexual way obviously) and thus it is not weird for an heterosexual man to feel uncomfortable by watching a movie were men kiss, f@ck, or whatever. Just deal with it.
Comparing racism to men who feel uncomfortable with homosexual acts is preposterous. I'm not even saying that it is okay for heterosexual men to bash, hurt, bully, etc, homosexual men or something. I'm just saying that it is not weird at all to feel UNCOMFORTABLE by watching homosexual acts. And yes, that's in heterosexual nature, whether you like it or not.
No, you're just assuming it's "nature" for some reason. If you adamantly believe in something it doesn't make it true. Most things are variant depending on human beings, that's why you can't tell what influence nature or nurture has on someone's behaviour. Therefore, you quantifying heterosexual repulsion towards homosexual acts as "nature" is dumb. In fact the opposite would hold much more water, with it being related to nurture (mainly upbringing and society one lives in).
That's why I mentioned Greeks and Romans, for example the Agoge where Spartan soldiers would each pick a trainee as a companion they would look after (and get jiggy with). Now where they all homosexual? What happened to nature in this instance? Or is it because that was the norm of the society they lived in at the time?
If you were to take a group of prepubescent boys and girls and show them each homosexual and heterosexual images/videos do you think they would be severely disgusted by the homosexual acts, while not minding the heterosexual ones?
Heteosexual people don't normally like to watch a same sex couple having sex.It's because they are heteorsexual,not because they are homophobes.Just as most homosexuals do not like to watch two heterosexuals having sex.If you read some of the other posts on this board,there are many homosexuals who say that(does that make them heterophobes?)and I don't hold it against them,it's just their nature.Does it make sense to say "If you watch porn with heterosexuals and like it,but you do not like to watch porn with homosexuals,you are a homophobe".See how stupid that sounds?
shareI just watched this movie, and thought it was a very well acted and written story. I was about to post something nearly identical to what you have written.
Agreed 100%
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Father blessed them all with reason
and this is what they choose
I see what you're trying to do, but your analogy is all wrong. Race =/= Sexuality.
It has nothing to do with prejudice, some people are just not use to seeing that kinda thing. It doesn't mean they have anything against it.
There's 2 points here - 1) a biological drive vs a choice and 2) wanting to watch.
1. This argument won't be settled until both sides agree with the outcome. If it's discovered scientifically that homosexuality is biological, then it could be something that could be "fixed" through genetic engineering while still in the womb. It depends on what the biological identifier is of course, but that brings up the issue - is it a defect that should be fixed? It's obviously unnatural from the purely survival of the species point of view, but I don't believe that's why some people wants gays back in the closet, dead, or whatever. People hate gays for a variety of reasons, such as religion, but if it was because they don't procreate then they'd hate hetero couples who choose not to procreate, or ones who can't.
I think the best bet here, to put this argument to bed forever, is for a team of scientists to officially prove it's biological. At least then gay rights would be on par with other civil rights and people would have to stop using that as excuse to gay bash.
2. Not everyone likes to see a mixed race couple kiss and it's their right not to want to watch it and consequently not to watch it. It's a heteros right not to watch 2 guys or 2 girls kiss if they don't like it. They're allowed not to want to see it. Preference should never be forced or legislated in any way whatsoever. The argument is should it be illegal, banned, or whatever. And that's pretty fascist to think your opinions are the way the rest of the world ought to live. On a side note I find it funny when heteros go on about how much they hate seeing 2 guys kiss but have no trouble watching one or many erect penis's get serviced in a porno - from a woman, but still there's quite a lot of imagery of the man or men! I really want to talk to the gay hating hetero man who wants to double team some woman with his buddy!
I can tell you from a purely marketing point of view what's shown on tv or films will rarely push the envelope because producers are business first. I don't really have a problem with that. Everything doesn't have to have a social agenda, but everything doesn't have to be protested either. There's way too much of both in my opinion.
Tales, what a load of crap. Why would a secure heterosexual man even care? You sound like a 7 year old boy who goes 'ewwwww do I have to kiss a girl??'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
To sum it up, the homophobic males sprang wood while viewing male-male erotic vids ... the non-homophobic men didn't. Basically, dudes who protest have secret 'issues'. The dudes who couldn't care less and aren't bothered by it ... don't.
You really don't need to be a Psych major to figure it out ... but I definitely would suggest taking some Biology and Human Sexuality courses, based on your beliefs.
To Tales:
It's perfectly normal to be uncomfortable around anything you're not used to seeing. What you have to ask yourself is if you're open to the toleration of open displays of homosexual affection enough to make an effort to get used to it so it doesn't make you uncomfortable.
If the answer is no, you'll pay lip service to human resources departments enough to keep your job but you'll be the same, as will your offspring and so on. You probably won't ever hurt anybody and life will go on hunky dory. Unfortunately we'll still be having these stupid conversations. If the answer is yes, just admitting that is a pretty good start.
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The reason why people find the argument of "well Im heterosexual so I dont have to like 2 gay guys in a movie" to be absurd is because its not like this is a gay porn. They barely even show you anything "bad" and if you dont want to watch it, just avert your eyes. The majority of the story is about the life of a conman, not about how he is gay. Very different than a gay porn where I can understand you not wanting to watch it right off the bat. I know many heterosexual women who wouldnt want to watch lesbian porn, but if a movie happened to contain 2 lesbians in it, they wouldnt stop watching it if its a good movie. Thats pretty immature.
You confuse me with someone with remorse.
I think thou protestest too much....you know you like way-ner, dark meat too. Its written ALL over you post
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