It's nice to know that no one is overweight or ugly in future. Also how is that they can turn people into cyborgs but that can't fix that poor bastards eye at the end of the film? I know, I know, I am being to literal but these things are pretty obvious. :(
"I am seriously beginning to doubt your commitment to sparkle motion."
Not sure what eye you're referring to, but as far as overweight goes, it's quite possible that a "cure" for that has been invented by then. Either by substituting fat with something else in the food, effective diet pills or any number of other possibilities. Also, the movie primarily deals with soldiers/police officers - chances are they wouldn't be overweight in that job.
shareAlso it is a movie. If they put fat people in there it would be an obvious "Token fat person" move by the studio. Actors, real or animated are usually good looking. It sells.
shareOlympus is a high technology lush utopia. Keep in mind that half of the city are bioroids. Bioroids are clones with genetically designed information. Meaning that if they can do that, those in charge of Olympus can probably write out the code or information for obesity, overweight or write something in that will keep them in great shape. In the world of the movies, bioroids, also lack a sex drive and they aren't as angry, volatile as regular humans.
shareFatness aside, why aren't there any Asian looking people in amine/manga shows?
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You did notice that no one has an asian name in the movie right? I mean, sure, they speak japanese because the mind behind the Appleseed universe is japanese himself.
I'm not sure but I vaguely remember earing/reading/viewing that Deunan had german origins. I'm really not sure about that so don't quote me on it. :)
"Why are you worrying about your beard... when you're about to lose your head?"
Umm . . . her name is HITOMI.
shareTrue, I totally forgot about Hitomi. My bad. I guess Olympus is a mixed cultural city.
"Why are you worrying about your beard... when you're about to lose your head?"
Also Yoshitsune.
In other words, FAIL!
Two japanese names out of something like seven "foreign" ones is fail?
The war wasn't just happening in or around Japan in the story...
LOL! I laughed because I thought the same thing, there weren't any overweight people nor the guy with his eye was fixed, but anyway....
that's interesting that you would wonder why there weren't 'asians' in it since it's an 'anime' I wonder how they got the looks down, from where and wonder why there weren't any minorities? Hmmmm...
Actually, a lot is missed about the why and how's in both Appleseed movies made so far. They are real eyecandy and are visually as faithful to the manga books as it's possible when you're dealing with 3d animations. Still...
If you friends and neighbors can bear with me, here's a little insight on what the scenarii should have taken in account.
For those who wonder about how Bri became an Echatonchires cyborg:
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Originally, he was an operative for an agency, even maybe two, as some indications in his background leave to think he played as a double agent (Mossad, KGB probably). One day, he disobeyed a direct order and killed his XO officer. He underwent partial plastic surgery in order to escape the manhunt set on him and during his later tribulations, his path crossed Dunan's father's. He joined his unit. He somehow found himself drawn to Dunan, even though back then it was still on a platonic level. After all she was just a very young teen back then... much later, and soon after his relationship with a now adult Dunan reached a new level on the sentimental side, he got blown away by a bomb set by his former employers, which had finally gotten a lead on him. This is when Bri got his first cyborg implants, of an experimental nature, leading to him becoming a full Echatonchires. He is renowned to be the one-out-of-a-hundred percentage cyborg who got fully synchronized and perfectly tuned up. Oh and, Dunan and Bri did *not* get separated in combat before reaching Olympus. They made it in there together. All wrong.
Dunan's origins:
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Her father was american, but her mother, as she described her was, I quote: "a coffee-and-milk from Sudan". Her grandmother on mother side was African and married a journalist for the BBC. Dunan is very proud of her lineage and speaks very openly about it with Hitomi, in what's possibly the only bit of "fanservice" in the series, as it's all acted out in a hammam.
To clarify about the bioroïds:
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Alas, the two movies got it all wrong. Bioroïds are indeed created artificially with refined DNA, but they have always been capable of sexual intercourse. Hitomi, in the manga by Shirou Masamune, even took the mick of Yoshi, who is her long-term boyfriend: "If Yoshi could have sex with his bikes, I would have been dumped ages ago."
The one thing, apart from their biological perfection, that bioroïds have, is an absolute integrity. This is the reason why they were created in the first place. Olympus was too complex, too expensive and too military sensitive a city to be managed by humans, as they would eventually have been driven by greed and the lust for power. As Fang Blackberyl, an ESWAT bioroid, points out to one of his human teammates, Morton: "Nobody can pay off a bioroïd." Still, they find us human incredibly dumb :)
For the record, the war platforms in the first movie were remotely controlled by Gaïa after "she" debated for hours with Tartarus, the other AI complex of the city, about the nature of a human being. She had come to the conclusion that in order to protect humans, she had to destroy Olympus. The Council (the old geezers) were about to propose the Plan for Human Improvement, a volunteering-based policy destined to turn every human being into a bioroïd. Their cogitations had led them to think that mankind, left to decide of its own destiny, would pick the wrong options, as opposed to what a "regulated" human/bioroïd woud do. There are indications though, that bioroïds are not perfect. Their rather bleak predicament of ever-faithful-servants-of-mankind seems to weight a lot on them, as some suicide cases got reported in the latter part of the saga.
Exotic names:
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The city's named Olympus and most people have a greek-derived name, at least if they were created within the city. Some people (apart from Dunan and Bri) have american, russian, japanese names. They usually are immigrants.
Examples: male names: Sudo, Morton, Lance. Female names: Pani, Yoshino, Macha Gavilov the 3rd, Chiffon. The explanation I came up with about Hitomi and Yoshi having non-greek names iw worth what it's worth: they both are very often in contact with immigrants (he's a garage mechanics, she's an immigration manager). Being contacted by a Hitomi rather than a Demeter is probably a good thing for a disoriented survivor from the outer wastelands...
There you go :) I hope this cleared up a few of the quirks.
Thanks for that extensive background information on the characters. Since I don't read any manga, but LOVE the second movie more so than the first (no offense to the die-hards), it was helpful to know these things.
Thanks again.
Can any of you imagine if the ever did a live-action Appleseed:ExMachina?? That would be soooo cool!
:)
Fat in food =/= overweight.
Carbs = overweigth.
only americans are fat and americans will most likely all be dead in the future so...
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Damn, you beat me to it.
Two thirds of the american population is too fat. And america is the only country with an obesity rate this epic.
Japan is when it comes to obesity the healthiest country.
Suffering of diabetes, I did my research on why Japanese seem to have much less weight issues than westerners. One of the reasons is they have way less hidden sugar in their food. For example, let's examine the matter of soft drinks: most of them, in Japan, are sweetened with an extract from Stevia Rebaudiana plant. That lil' green leaf sweetens 200 times more in your mouth than a piece of sugar. No known side effects, easy to use, that product has been in their stuff for ages now, I elieve even since the seventies.
A japanese meal (if it's not aping american junk food of course) is in many ways ealthier than anything we occidentals eat: fish and meat are often grilled, vegetables are steamed, they consume impressive quantities of rice. They drink "ocha" (green tea) which as excellent diuretic properties. Sport, also, is widely promoted in school since early classes.
Of course they're more healthy. At least out there, you don't learn how to count in the way of "one pizza, two pizzas, three pizzas from Pizza Hut" :p
Okay, all fatties die in the future. But why no Black people in the future?
sharemost japanese (also chinese, korea) are racists, they think white > asian > black
shareBlacks couldnt build a society if all it involved was putting 1 plus 1 together.
They exist in the Appleseed universe, but only on the Dark continent, where they originated. Probably still involved in their favourite pastimes of raping children, tribal culture (killing each other, that is) and, of course, the having of ebola and a billion other disgusting diseases because they just refuse to wash their hands and clean their toilets.
I know this thread is so old, but I've just revisited it so I thought I'd reply to this one.
To all of you complaining why there aren't black people in the movie, I'm wondering if you guys are used to Japanese anime or any Asian production at all? The last thing an Asian production cares about is to put a "token" black person in their films/etc. Not because they are racist (well, they kind of are, but that's a whole different topic to be discussed) but because there AREN'T many black people in Asia, unlike in most western countries where black people usually make up a significant portion of the population. So it really doesn't even cross their mind to include black guys in their works, unless of course if the people behind that work were directly influenced by creative works that involved black people, like what happened with Afro Samurai.
Now it brings us to the question: there also aren't many white people in Asia, but why do they have white looking people in some of their works? I can't answer this without sounding politically incorrect, but the truth is, there are more white people in the international media than any other races and it influences the way people perceive things, especially people who have little to no personal experience with white and black people, like most people in Asia. They tend to view whites as cool or modern or ideal because of how whites are being portrayed in the international media. Sad, but unfortunately that's the truth.