The Rolling Stones
In one scene, the police harass and make fun of the Rolling Stones when they go over to Muddy Waters to tell him how much he inspired them. Were the Rolling Stones really harassed like that when they first came to America?
shareNot at Chess records they weren't. They were harassed here and there in some of the smaller towns they played. Very few people outside of the two coasts knew who The Stones were on their first tour. However they took the time to come to Chess studios and record. The story about them finding Muddy Waters doing menial tasks around Chess is absolute 100% fiction.
shareReally? Did they also really get their name from Muddy Waters's song?
shareI'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but they did not get it from "Rollin' Stone". That song was released on 78 only in Britain and The Stones would not have had access to it (by their own admission). Bill Wyman has said that it came from "Mannish Boy".
shareI believe you are mistaken Joshman as I'm pretty sure Muddy Waters did perform menial tasks at Chess such as janitorial duties. Also, the Stones did in fact derive their name from the song, "Rollin' Stone". They would've had access to it in the British record shops that were importing American records. Bill Wyman has said a lot of things in his books that contradict what is otherwise commonly agreed upon by the other members of the band. He's also made claim that he got far more p*ssy than any other member of the Stones...
shareI thought it was interesting how the stones managed to travel a good eight years backwards through time to meet Muddy preceding the simultaneous eruption of elvis mania and army enlistment. aside from nit picky lil things that was a really bad continuity issue.
shareYes, there was an obvious problem with the chronology. The Rolling Stones didn't visit the US until 1964, and the beach boys didn't score with Surfin USA until 1963. This was many years after Chuck Berry came out with Sweet Little sixteen and Maybelline. And Elvis mania was at it height at about the same time Chuck Berry was gaining popularity around 1956, 1957 or so.
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You know there are many myths surrounding The Stones. I have read in numerous places that the band name came from both Mannish Boy and Rollin' Stone. But the story about Muddy Waters is false. Phil Chess has denied it and Muddy never said anything about it. Muddy Waters was like royalty at Chess Records. There is NO way he was painting the place and changing light bulbs. Whoever started that story (cough Keith Richards cough cough)just wanted to exaggerate the extent to which The Stones "saved" Muddy Waters.
BTW, did you guys know that Joshman is most likely the reincarnation of Andrew L. Oldhdam?
Anyhow, now we finally know the truth: Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones is a monstrous LIAR, and Joshman is the TRUTHSAYER.
Oh, well, whatever...
Interesting, last winter I was listening to Mick Martin's Blues Party and he played an interview with Muddy Waters dating from the early 1990s. I'll do my best to paraphrase what Muddy Waters said about the Rolling Stones. The Stones did more for black blues musicians in Chicago than any other white musicians and he stated in no uncertain terms that the resurrection of his career was a direct result of the exposure he received from playing with the Rolling Stones in concert and the build up they gave him whenever they talked about influences in their music. I can't speak to his rescue from painting and doing odd jobs at Chess Records but there is absolutely no question that he thought very highly of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards and the rest of the band.
shareNonsense. It's been documented. You're wrong.
shareJoshman, you continue to amaze us with your rock solid "facts." Or is it all fiction, really?
Strange that in a Stones documentary I seen Keith Richards claimed "When we first went to Chess Records Muddy Waters was painting the goddamned ceiling" Would a band as big as them at the time really need to make it seem like they saved Muddy Water's career?!!
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Keith has been telling this story so long he believes it. Keef has been known to, uh, "exaggerate" many parts of the Stones lore over the years. The story comes from Keith. It has been disputed by other members of the band, others at Chess at the time and Muddy himself never mentioned it. Plus, if you learn about what Chess Records was like at the time, it is absurd to believe that Muddy was earning extra money painting the place. Why do people want to believe this story so badly?
In deference and reverence to Joshman here, let us agree on this, shall we: Muddy Waters was NOT painting any G.d. ceiling, all right?
He was SWEEPING THE FLOOR instead. Unless Keith Richards had somehow confused him with the resident custodian lady, that is.
Wrong again. Jagger has confirmed the story, and Johnny Winter mentioned the same thing in an interview when Muddy came to Blue Sky records after leaving Chess. He said Muddy was too proud to admit it.
shareUnfortunately, Joshman, you seem to be wrong on this. What was depicted really did happen, there is plenty of it written about it on various Stones sites and bios.
Why do you think none of this happened, anyhow? Were you there at the front door and inside the studio, taking notes?
No, he's just clueless
shareJagger and Richards both talked talked about Muddy painting the walls at Chess when he first met him,so no, it's not fiction. It's been documented that is 100% true.
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