Joe, Just my take on him...


I was trying to like him more in the end and came close, but just could not cross that bridge. I found when he was at the grave of Jane and Evelyn he would feel more sympathy towards at least the little girl, but he showed no emotions at all towards her or her mother and the tormented life and death he had a hand in.

I also understood Ruth indifference with him for being late to her husbands funeral or should I say he missed the funeral but the movie never says why. He had no part in Boots death so why miss it. And i felt he really wanted to rekindle his and Ruth's brief encounter but he would have come off as arrogant and missed it on purpose, I am not sure he even cared. This guy never even called or visited them and was expecting a warm welcome. Even his sister had to tell him she was probably not even thinking of him. As it looks as though she was right. He must have not even communicated with her because if he did he never even asked how she was after such a tragic death of her child.

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I don't believe it is complex. Joe as a teenager was never serious about anything and got sucked into a situation with an older woman, which as we know led to the tragedy. Joe felt so guilty that he had to run away, and his amoral adult life wasn't because that is really what he always wanted, but a reaction of an emotionally desperate man who probably even felt guilt at being alive. No standards, no boundaries, not happy, nothing to look forward to. The death of his friend, and then finding out the older woman was also dead, signalled the end of his former life and the possible beginning of his new one that might bring him happiness as he becomes a better person. The reactions of all those back home were normal, they had stopped caring about Joe many years earlier. The rest of the story (untold) is not about them, it is about Joe. Their reactions just helped Joe realize how far he had slipped.

TxMike
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Great rebuttal, but before he can move forwards he to me did not understand the magnitude of what really had transpired. He was cold towards Ruth as if she did not feel what he did really mattered and it did to her especially missing the funeral and showing up, as I am hear and we can move on together. Writng a check and leaving without a goodbye was who he is and will always be. A man who knows it and will except it as a guide for himself. I did not take the check writing thing as something Ruth wanted, but for him, she wanted him to had been there for her, during the funeral Witch he was not, nothing to do with she knew he cared for her and was thinking of her all those years. She was happy with booth, so she did not need him to miss the funeral and act as if it was them [ruth and he] he was interested in.

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Interesting points. As with any fictional story, and of course fictional characters, we never really can know beyond what is presented in the film. So it is left to our individual interpretation what all was going on in the minds of each character. I prefer to think (had he been a real person) that the death of his friend and going back home opened his eyes enough that he would return to California and start to leading a better life, taking better care of himself and taking more interest in the feelings and well-being of others. To me the check was part of that, he knew he was fortunate to have lucked into a life of plenty and he had lived mostly in a self-indulgent manner. Now he is sharing his good fortune to an old friend in a financial bind. It can in no way repair the past 25 years, or missing the funeral, but it is something that he is capable of and can help.

TxMike
Make a choice, to take a chance, to make a difference.

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Yet an even better rebuttal I will take your reply and go with it. I just did not see how so many misinterpreted she all of a sudden understood what he felt for her and it was not even close to what was portrayed but more of posters wishes for a love connection that was not there. But to each is his own and i will accept there comments also. I just felt so sad that at the grave he did not show any remorse for that kid and her mom and that lies so close to how I felt Ruth took to his letter and money. disgustingly

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Ah well.. Joe.... a total bastard.

There's 2 ways of looking at it, and I'm not sure which one is the most likely.

The nice one: Joe falls in love with Ruth, obviously, and she with him - they feel not just first love, but true love. Then its all shattered and Joe flees with his guilt, fear and loss on his shoulders, and he keeps them there for 20 years living in a "nothing matters" way, just existing from one party to the next drug sedation to the next girl.

Until he hears of the death and comes home, only to find all the guilt and fear is gone - Evelyn's dead, no-one can know what he did, and its all over. He writes the letter to Ruth to say "I remember you and what we had" and obviously she remembers too.

But, of course, he then leaves for LA so I think the above is not the best explanation.

Instead:

Joe has his first love with Ruth, and Ruth really falls for him, but he screws things up and leaves. He still spends his time wasting his life in parties, drugs and girls but this is because of his guilt and fear that he'll be found out for "causing" the death of the little girl. When he is forced to return (as he has nothing to live for in LA) he finds that Eleven's death means all the worry he's been hiding from is gone - he gets to start again, all that fear that he'll be found out has disappeared. He obviously remembers Ruth and still has some feelings for her, but they're old and now irrelevant. So he writes the letter that tells her he remembers her and what they could have had, and unfortunately, she still feels for him - hence the line about the marriage where she can't cry, she mentions how it was an ordinary marriage, no true love story, and that's because she is still in love with Joe. she married his best friend as the 'next best thing' to having Joe. She still remembers him being late at the arcade after all those years (shows she still thinks of him), and when she gets that letter, she realises all that could have been.... The cheque is a way for Joe to 'pay her off', his way of saying sorry for the missed years and missed love (rich people have a way of thinking donating money is the way to solve all their guilty problems).

Joe, of course, sods off back to LA with a renewed view on life that he can now actually start living. Selfish bastard, in short.

So why did he have no remorse for Evelyn - because she didn't mean anything to him, she was just a quickie with terrible consequences. If anything, he showed a stunned relief at the graveside.


Now a proper chick flick would have them both rekindling their initial love at the end, but fortunately this was a proper film, not some happy-ending fluff. I think it did well to do that.

I think the film was all about the Roxy Music song. The song comes in 3 parts, is all about reminiscing about the past, and its no coincidence Ruth was growing potatoes at the end.

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I think it was more simple than that. Joe was once in love with Ruth but let us really examine this for a moment they were young and everyone has someone in the past of there teen years who feel that (one) love is the one who got away. You are not giving Booth his due, she had put Joe out of mind and had children with Booth, that is where her love had progressed to. We don't know if it was a passionate love but i feel it was love nonetheless.

She immediately felt uncomfortable around him upon his arrival because he was there for her physically and not emotionally for her mourning her family. That is what bugged her. Yes she had feelings for him but not in the way she would have had with being with her husband and having his kids those moments she would never trade for a ghost of Joe. The letter made her cry in my opinion because it brought up what they all were at some point in life, A friend or potential lover who wants to help but instead of he being there for her in grief he leaves. Same old Joe getting everyone up only to abandon them when they need him. And she was then able to release herself and cry because in the end he changed.He was looking out for her, not that her Joe is gone.

The one thing you say that I do not understand is you are cheapening her marriage as if it is mentioned to be nothing,saying it was only a marriage and nothing else as I did not see that at all.

In the end she can cry because she now knows it is over, Joe bought closer to all of them she could feel the loss of her husband, the loss of Joe, the having money, as Joe steps up to the plate and does whats right for his fiend and wife still she would cry alone because that is joe.

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