Why the negative press?


I liked the film! Okay its not great it will not be nominated for any Oscars but none the less its a nice light comedy/drama feel good film.
Good scenery; held my attention and very enjoyable with an entire cast doing a good job.
I could ask why if taking the train he was travelling north instead of south?
And travelling from Glasgow he would not be crossing the viaduct anyway. BUT this happens in lots of films, its only noticed by people who know the place its filmed in.
Its a cheap British film and fun for a change from showing a dark dispairing people.
I have met Ian Hamilton QC a nice and very clever man. A good speaker too.

This film is better than the press say it is.

Love film love cinema keep the suits at bay.

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I had to laugh at the scene at the start when Charlie Cox is cycling in 1950's Glasgow towards Glasgow University and you can see quite cleary a 2007 Glasgow Council van in the background! Good film though, just a couple of goofs in it!

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The press have been negative because the film is terrible. Seriously, it's a contender for the worst film I have ever seen.

The script writing is nauseating, with painful speeches that are supposed to inspire patriotism, but instead made me cringe. The Robert the Bruce one was the worst ("We need to look for spiders"), but it was only one of many. Equally painful were the accents, with even Scottish actors making a hash of Scottish accents (I'm guessing they were trying to sound extra-Scottish to inspire patriotism).

There was the scene when two of the characters explain their motivations for being involved in the plot - it was like listening to them describe which overused film character cliche they were - 'I'm the one whom everyone likes because I'm a good laugh, but I want to prove to myself and others that there's more to me'.

Then there was the story itself. As a unionist, I suppose I was always going to find fault with this piece of nationalist propaganda, but even I couldn't believe how badly it was handled. Braveheart, for all its flaws, worked because it gave you reason to consider the English the bad guys - Edward I was a vile character. In Stone of Destiny, the English characters were just terrible stereotypes. Still, we were supposed to buy into this idea that Scotland needs 'freedom' from the evil English, although there was no justification for this proposition given. It seems to serve no purpose other than to increase tensions between Scotland and England - tensions that are based on events that happened about 700 years ago.

The film appears to be setting out to challenge the views of one character, expressed at the start, that "Scotland is dead". Instead of challenging this by demonstrating what a great nation Scotland is, it presents us with our 'heroes', who are a group of thieving vandals. I love Scotland, and I don't want our nation to be defined by people who think that breaking into a church and causing criminal damage is admirable.

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"based on events that happened about 700 years ago."

I thought it was based on events of 58 years ago!!
Its just a film mate why so negative?
Lets encourage tourisim.


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"I thought it was based on events of 58 years ago!!"

No, this ridiculous anti-English attitude that too many of my fellow Scots hang onto is based on the events of 700 years ago. Yes, we were wronged by the English, but that was a long time ago. Nationalists still talk about 'freedom' as if we are still being oppressed - we're not, in fact we have it pretty good. Still, some people can't shed the chips on their shoulders.

"Its just a film mate why so negative?"

It's a really bad film. Even putting aside the subject matter, and my feelings about the shameless nationalism and glorification of crime, it was awful. What about the speech to the gypsy - how could that not make you cringe?

"Lets encourage tourisim."

There are better ways of encouraging tourism than by presenting Scots as anti-English criminals. There are a lot of us in Scotland who are proud to be Scottish, but who don't hate the English, and are very happy in the Union.

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"Yes, we were wronged by the English, but that was a long time ago."

We are wronged by England (not the English), for as long as Scotland is ruled from London.

The Union was nothing but an annexation. Sure, many Scots have done well out of it, and some Scots did well in the Empire (often involved in unsavoury things, such as slavery), but that does not negate the fact that Scotland has been both a colony, and a coloniser for as long as the UK has existed.

"by presenting Scots as anti-English criminals."

When the owners of a stolen item reclaim it, it is not theft.

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Merger, more like. After a succession of the most useless, self-serving fools ever to have disgraced the title of king. And given the centuries of to-and-fro raiding, pillaging and thieving, it's coming it a bit strong to be bleating about stuff being 'stolen'.

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"with even Scottish actors making a hash of Scottish accents (I'm guessing they were trying to sound extra-Scottish to inspire patriotism)."

*facepalm* What...?

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"with even Scottish actors making a hash of Scottish accents (I'm guessing they were trying to sound extra-Scottish to inspire patriotism)."

*facepalm* What...?
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Annafantasia, you now have first hand experience of Scottish self-loathing, aka the Cringe. Ridiculous, isn't it?

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I hadn't even known of this movie twenty-four hours ago but, coincidentally, my friend and I been airing our grievances against the English just last night (I'm Irish, he's Welsh) and he mentioned this attempt to recover the stone. I said they should make a movie of it - something in the same mold as 'Local Hero'. Clearly, they didn't. So you can see - for me, this is a swing and a miss.

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Maybe we're uncomfertable with the fact that its basically neo-nationalist propoganda. And this is coming from a Scottish girl.

Those are my principals. If you don't like them I have others.~Groucho Marx

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I went to the world premiere at EIFF to see it. Yes I went because of the red carpet because I am a Billy Boyd fan. But I liked the film. yes, it has continuity issues, and the big beef I personally have about it is that some of the language is not of the period. But I think the actors did well with it, although I could not see the point of Having fine actors like Brenda Fricker and Peter Mullen in such tiny cameos. That jarred for me. But on the whole I had no major problems with it. There are far worse films coming out of the major studios that are lauded to the skies. I shall certainly see it again. No problem with that.

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"basically neo-nationalist propoganda [sic]."

No, not neo-nationalist. It's a five decade old story, not as well known as it should be.

All Scots should have heard of the Scottish Covenant, and its two million signatures, or John McCormick etc

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lol it was a cool little film, it never took itself too seriously. to the guy who said the speech with the gypsies made him cringe...erm well done you got the desired reaction; it was reminiscent of the trollop mel gibson spewed in the awaful braveheart, another small hint that the speech was cringe worthy was when the other two guys looked at each other and thought "oh please stop".

I know your entitled to your opinion but i think this movie wasn't as awful as you make out, it was quite good.

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"the guy who said the speech with the gypsies made him cringe"

Although funnily enough, this was based on a real incident. They did get help from Tinkers (rather than Romanies) - although I believe it was somewhere in central Scotland, Perthshire etc, rather than the Borders.

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"Maybe we're uncomfertable with the fact that its basically neo-nationalist propoganda."

But of course, you're perfectly comfortable with neo-Unionist propaganda from BBC and ITV all the time, e.g. "BRITAIN's got Talent", the "Blighty" channel, Britain this, Britain that... with the narrator cramming the phrases "our nation", the "country" etc, in reference to the UK as many times as s/he can into one paragraph. In spite of the fact the UK has never been a nation or a country - it's a state made up of several nations and countries.

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After reading what turned out to be a rather poor review in the Metro paper, I wasn't sure what to expect..

That review criticized it for the lead actor being American - made no difference to me (as per Braveheart) and then went on to say that most of the scenes weren't filmed in Scotland, didn't seem the case from what I saw (quite the opposite), but who cares.

I found it a decent enough heist movie, some cheesy dialogue but nothing too offensive. I think the subject matter of Scotland vs England will cause some reviewers to loose focus.

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If they are classing Charlie Cox as the lead actor, which seeing as he is playing Hamilton, I would do he certainly isn't American. They need to get their fact rights there. He was born in London. Also apart from the scenes in and around Westminster Abbey I thought the greater percentage of it was filmed in Scotland. Talk about inaccuracies eh?

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and today they'd probably be done as terrorists.

:-(

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Because the English are a bunch of sore loosers and big p **sies!!!! Down with England, long live Scotland! LOL...I'm just kidding.

I really liked the movie. A thoroughly enjoyable flick.

"Today is the tomorrow I was so worried about yesterday"--Anthony Hopkins

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I thought it was a good movie. An interesting story, and one I personally was not aware of. If movies do sometimes both entertain and inform, to a certain extent, then this was one of those ocassions. I am glad that I had the opportunity to see it.

It talks about a people that have lost their sense of self and self-worth as throughout what was a quite brutal and opressive time in history, they were stripped of their pride and identity, only to be slowly swallowed by the inevitable advance of time. Yet the passage of time did not dampen all the excitement and recognition that to be whole as a people one need maintain some connections to the past and learn of his own history and ancestors, the time and people that laid the foundation for what is. To ingore your own history and culture is to give up on yourself. That is important, not for some selfish motivation, not to bring about misery and violence, but to better understand oneself and the place one occupies in this world. Without that nobody, whether an individual, family, clan, tribe or nation, can move forward and evolve.

That is what I personally got from this movie. The cast was great, the cinematography was just beautiful (even though some scenes where filmed in British Columbia, Canada). I am a fan of Robert Carlyle, and here he did not dissapoint, even though his presence on screen was quite brief. The atmosphere was imbued with a lot of character and life, emotions and thoughts.

The British people are always portrayed as stiff, cold, distant etc. Yet everytime I have met Brits (English, Welsh or Scottish), they are full of a suprising joy-de-vivre and a life knowledge that escapes a lot of other people I have encountered during my life and travels. There is a kind of underlying mischief and sense of impropriety in things that are done under the guise of the "stiff-upper-lip". The Irish, Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians share in this. It makes for very interesting people, people who I want to be around with. I mean, Monty Python, need I say more!!!!

So all in all, I enjoyed this little movie amidst all the award seeking films and big budged flicks as well as the heap of garbage movies that orbit outhere. Though it was in very limited release, I hope that on DVD it will enjoy more recognition and a wider audience.

"Today is the tomorrow I was so worried about yesterday"--Anthony Hopkins

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Negative press, mainly because most of the folk who run the papers in Scotland, and the UK are anti-Scottish independence and the SNP. Simple as that. If they took the political blinkers off, they'd still find a good few faults in it, but they wouldn't have slammed it so badly.

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I agree,watched the movie with the missus and we both loved it!

It had everything it needed to make a good movie,likeable characters,good plot,good acting,great scots scenery,and humour!

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