so begins the uber-thin ideal...
I really liked this movie, but I couldn't help but be bothered by Chanel's influence on the shift between a voluptuous, womanly ideal to one that expects a woman to resemble a praying mantis! :(
shareI really liked this movie, but I couldn't help but be bothered by Chanel's influence on the shift between a voluptuous, womanly ideal to one that expects a woman to resemble a praying mantis! :(
shareBeing thin doesn't mean you aren't womanly or look like an insect.
Besides, there's more than enough thin hate/fat worshipping going on doncha think?
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I agree, not every thin woman looks like a boy, some very thin women are gorgeous. But it's also very unfair to consider it ideal, making the rest of us feel bad for not living up to a nearly impossible goal. I can't help admiring models in every magazine, but I get very self-conscious about not being skinny, tall and with perfect skin.
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I think the best thing would be variety! And it's true that a lot of companies are including models of different sizes in their campaigns these days. Hopefully the worst of it is over!
shareBeing thin doesn't mean you aren't womanly or look like an insect.
Besides, there's more than enough thin hate/fat worshipping going on doncha think?
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No, I mean thick or chubby. In America anyway. And Marilyn was pretty gross, if you ask me. If your big ain't big and you're not at least 50 pounds overweight, you're ugly, a stick, and not a real woman. She looked like she never exercised and she wore so much makeup. But that's just ignoring the sluttiness. Anyway, bigger women have usually been seen as womanly and sexier but small-curved women are often torn down for not fitting that ideal.
Actually there are far more naturally thin women than you think. Anorexic movie stars so not represent all thin girls, y'know. Besides, when most people stretch, you DO see some of their ribs. That doesn't mean they throw up their dinner at night. It means they don't have much fat stored in their abdominal area.
I'm still waiting to see this thin ideal. All the 'sexiest' women I've seen usually have big breasts and are thin but not Twiggy thin like you're making it sound.
I hate it when my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Actually there are far more naturally thin women than you think. Anorexic movie stars so not represent all thin girls, y'know.
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Well, that's mostly what I mean, natural ones. The ones that are thin cuz they stick their finger down their throat after every meal aren't so common as everyone makes them out to be. Maybe in Hollywood or NY where fashion designers make their size 0 or 2 models feel like crap so they get thinner, but not irl. And most naturals do eat whatever they want (within reason anyway. I don't mean eating a double cheeseburger fried in 4 pounds of lard on buttered white bread with greasy fries and the like for every meal). At least, myself and pretty much every of the naturally thin women I've talked to about food or read about do.
I get what you're saying but I hate when people act like fat people are so hated on (maybe some are) when so many people in America ARE fat and often refuse to get healthier if they can. There's all these thick/fat women calling themselves 'sexy and curvy' and say they love their bodies (which I don't believe most of the time anyway, or why else would they wanna remind us so much?) and many men say they love them for it. In fact, a lot men I've talked to claim to prefer bigger women like this http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/overweight-teenage-girl.jpg to thin ones like this http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Kristen_Stewart/kristen_s tewart_image__1_.jpg (very much regardless of whether it's natural or not), saying "they want meat, not bones" and other flattering terms.
How many kids in school get teased for being fat vs being teased for being thin?
As for eating lots and staying thin...that depends on your age...teenagers and young women can usually do that...it's natural to be skinny when your that young...but it changes when you hit your mid 20's.
shareNot always. My older female releatives, especially my Grandma, have had it all their lives, and save for my mom (who's only gained weight from eating so much junk food and not enough exercise, basically, and my older cousin who had 2 kids) they all still have fast metabolisms.
Besides, I shouldn't think too many women over the 20s would purposely be thin, unless it was done so in a healthy way of course.
You think you think that you're glowing, but you had been ho-ing, and now you're pregnant.
The OP made a valid point. If not for Chanel influence in the fashion world, the stereotype of the ultra-skinny supermodel probably would have never become an "ideal" to follow by millions of young women around the world.
I was watching the extras found on the DVD and the filmmakers were exalting Coco Chanel to the skies, like if she were Joan of Arc or Madame Curie. They said that Coco single-handedly managed to "free" the woman from those uncomfortable corsets and "baroque" dresses. That may be true for the rich ladies who could afford to buy one of those dresses. For the average woman, peasants and poor housewifes (In short for the vast majority of women of that period), that kind of dresses were simply too expensive to them. They were "freed" long before for the mere fact of being dirt poor! (Like Coco Chanel herself).
Therefore Chanel "freed" only the richest women. In the other hand she helped to establish as the "ideal" woman, "skeletal models" who have a figure impossible to reach for most women without becoming anorexic or/and bulimic.
I agree. While Chanel herself was naturally petite and probably had no intention of forcing other women to conform to her thinness, the fashion industry took things too far. It seems to be cyclic, but at certain times it is clear that models were TOO skinny (think Twiggy in the 60's or Linda Evangelista in the early 90's-both were naturally thin but inadvertently pressured average-sized women to starve themselves for "beauty").
It is by no means Chanel's fault. In fact she was most likely trying to establish a niche for thin women, the way some are trying to defend curvy women in our time!
Actually no, poor women dressed the same. A lot of rich women would give their old dresses to their servants, which would wear them until the dresses where no good anymore. And they also wore corsets, just not the expensive ones. Seamstresses would make their own cheap corsets.
Chanel did nothing but dress the way she felt comfortable, in a world of feminity. She doesn t have to be judged for being skiny and refusing to wear a corset. Actually i think she was really brave by not conforming to the stereotype in those days.
The hourglass figure of the early 1900s became less ideal not because "thin was in" but because the emphasis in society switched from the voluptuous, mature woman, to the teenage/young woman. For a great deal of the 19th century, due to societal expectations and gender norm, unmarried girls and young girls were seen as unimportant, and married and mature women were the focus and were permitted relative freedom. By the 1910s, even before WWI, the "youth culture" that we've worshiped 'til this day, took hold, hence why silhouettes slimmed down considerably and the slender, athletic body type was wanted.
shareBut the pendulum has always swung back and forth, as you can seen if you look at art history. The Egyptians tended to be thin and angular. Greeks tended to be more average and perfect proportion was their ideal. Some of the great beauties in the Renaissance were obese.
It is disturbing that so many people now are overweight when the ideal is so thin. What needs to be the ideal is health, whether you're extremely angular, extremely curvy (and by curvy I don't mean fat), or somewhere in the middle. Maybe if we all ask him nicely, David Kibbe will bring out a new edition of "Metamorphosis" and then all types can be in fashion.
...Audrey Tautou has a voluputous, womanly figure and is also too short to be a modern high-fashion model. She is the opposite of what you are describing.
Somehow, I doubt Chanel would have been impressed with what we see today and she probalby would have rebelled against that, too.
You seem a bit mixed up about what voluptuous means.
http://www.jaunted.com/files/5957/audreytautoubeach.jpg She's a normal thin woman. Every woman looks 'womanly' but not all are 'voluptuous' which pretty much means big T&A.
Well-behaved women DO make history.
It all depends on what you are looking for:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=audrey+tautou+images&qpvt=audrey+tautou+images&FORM=IGRE#x0y10954
The past is a series of presents. The present is living history we are privileged to witness
Um...no. She's thin in every picture. Sorry. While obviously some women are naturally that way, I agree that upholding that image as an ideal is unrealistic and sick and it goes against nature. We are all made, shaped differently, but having the figure of a 12 year old is not the way women are meant to look. We're supposed to have flesh, hips, and breasts.
I remember two things very clearly: I am a great sinner and Christ is a great Savior.
But she's got curves:
http://www.kinomaniak.pl/galerie/audrey_tautou/audrey_tautou3bb.jpg
The picture the other poster chose was in an unflattering bathing suit that restricted her breasts:
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/62118-audrey_tautou_bikini_watch.jpg
The past is a series of presents. The present is living history we are privileged to witness
*sigh* Ok, I have seen enough pictures and films of Audrey to know that she is skinny. So skinny, that sometimes she cannot fill out some of her clothes. I remember noting that particularly when she was promoting this film. She is a gorgeous woman, but curvy she is not. Once again, some women come that way. It should not be ideal because it is actually rare. Most women are not naturally that small and skinny.
I remember two things very clearly: I am a great sinner and Christ is a great Savior.
What the OP said was exactly what was going through my mind yesterday as I watched this film. Since women no longer depended on corsets to shape them, they themselves had to be in perfect shape to carry off her creations... which I think were mostly meant for people similar to her in shape and size.
She started it all !!
it's a part of history and an important era for 20th century fashion. it's actually nothing to be bothered about. it's not like everyone in those days were anorexic. get over it