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why did rooster rape karen?


what was the motive?

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I also didn't get this point - it seemed totally out of character.

The only weak reason for the plot point (not explaining the character's motivation) is that Rooster's rape of Karen brings Karen to Spider's place with a gun, which is ultimately used to kill Rooster. They could have easily deleted the rape scene and had Turk find a gun on Spider's body, though.

I was disappointed by this film. The plot twist was very obvious from the very start of the movie, the dialogue was weak and the lead actors unbelievable in their roles.

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To do something unforgivable... or some sh!t.

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I heard him say that, but what did it have to do with the plot?

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Precisely. I will be upfront and say that this is among the worst directing jobs I have seen. The editing? Equally terrible. The script? I refuse to comment. How old are Pacino's and De Niro's characters supposed to be? 10 and 11? For haven's sake!

Very predictable- I called it in the first 20 minutes of the film. Bah!

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I think like the shrink said, he wanted to be caught. The police are getting real close on catching the 'poetry boy'.
At the last scene, even if he wanted to run away, he knew that he'll be caught eventually. And if he's caught or shot dead, I think Rooster wanted the person who do that was Turk himself.

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I thought he did it to enrage Turk enough to kill him--suicide by cop/partner. However, unless I missed it, the film doesn't show Turk finding out about the rape. Turk only shoots Rooster in self defense. Overall, I did like this movie, but I find the rape puzzling and out of character if it wasn't done for any reason.

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agreed.

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It did seem out of character.
I think it was just thrown in to confuse people as to who the killer actually was, but everyone knew.
Weak plot and bad directing on this one.

If it harms none, do what thou wilt.

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Out of character? He killed 14 people. He had earlier made a crude pass at her and seemed to know she liked rough play sex. He knew his serial was over and this was his twisted end game. He blamed Turk for him losing his faith. Rooster was a psycho and not an affable, weary cop


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I thought he did it to enrage Turk enough to kill him--suicide by cop/partner. However, unless I missed it, the film doesn't show Turk finding out about the rape. Turk only shoots Rooster in self defense. Overall, I did like this movie, but I find the rape puzzling and out of character if it wasn't done for any reason.


FWIW, over a year later, didn't Rooster tell Turk everything he did, including the "unforgivable" act? Few minutes before Karen showed up wanting to shoot him.

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Rooster killed people who upset him. He knew that Karen was hurting Turk by having an affair with the other cop (can't remember his name). Rather than kill her he did "the unforgivable" (his words). Between the Russian surviving and raping Karen he knew he was going to get caught.

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I thought he did it to get caught, as the psychologist put it and that is why he didn't kill her after the rape.

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Since the Russian survived, Rooster knew he would be identified therefore ending his secret killing spree. It's not as fun when everybody knows who commits the murders so he wanted to do something extreme for his last hour of being the poetry killer. And it was obvious he wanted a piece of Karen early on in the film like when he says "You're a bad little girl" among other obvious allusions-hell, Turk TOLD him to have sex with her at the bar. Again, Pacino and DeNiro were GREAT in this movie.

But of course that was only a fringe benefit to his diabolic plan (cue sinister music). The whole point of the film is based on a twisted rivalry with his role model and longtime partner who let him down during the Randall case (Rooster found this "unforgivable"-see how that works?). He was finally making a real difference by stepping outside the law to take out the trash therefore making him superior in his mind. Making Turk read his confession in front of the camera was another way of display of power and while we're at it, it's worth repeating that raping his girlfriend Karen was the icing on the cake to prove he was the better man because it's no secret she liked it rough.

Edit: And I don't buy this business of Rooster wanting to get caught or having Turk taking him out. He wanted to escape after killing Turk himself (Heat anyone?) but as we saw during the final confrontation, Turk was the better shot kinda spoiling Rooster's plans. Had he escaped and disappeared I could see Dennehy screaming "I just had coffee with Fisk A HALF HOUR AGO!"

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rooster raped karen cus karen insulted rooster by telling him that he has small
p enis ........

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I think is out of character. I can't see why someone will want to rape if he itself is being raped from father from church, which he kill and this is shown briefly like flashback

I don't understand the rape scene. May be the writers/director want to show Rooster like a real bad evil and sick person that didn't have any shades of grey.

BTW, I also don't buy the idea about Rooster want it to be caught. He wanted to continue his deeds. He even want it to be escape from Turk .

Not bad movie , the script is nothing special, I think the actors make the movie interesting DeNiro & Pacino is great , not a remarkable movie like Micheal Men' Heat , but still very decent. I think the score 6 is little bit underrate.

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It was like a clue that Turk isn't the killer.

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I think its because Rooster doesn't like things that are evil. Hence why he lost it when Turk did something that isn't right morally and he went crazy and start killing the evil bad guys. Now Karen's promiscuous behavior can be deemed morally wrong don't you think? Yeah its her life, but its also playing with emotions. Although I dunno if roosters was trying to get something with her earlier, maybe to test her in a way just to see what a bitch she is :> At least thats my take of it. Morally wrong can sometimes piss people off and it probably break Rooster's limit point

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I got the impression that the film makers wanted to take away the power her character had over De Niro character. It was almost a **** you to feminism.

I know that sounds a bit OTT but it just struck me that way when I watched it last night.

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