Movie vs the Real Army


I'm in the military (specifically in the Basic Training Environment) so I watched this flick out of pure morbid curiosity. Just to compare and contrast. They don't make enough BCT flicks (Pvt Benjamin, Stripes, In the Army Now, Full metal Jacket to name a few), but hollywood always adds their own take on it and most of the time they get it wrong. So I watched this movie and all I could see was what they were doing wrong.

Anybody familiar with how Basic Combat Training in the army is really ran would find themselves wanting to scream at the movie at all times. Now, I can understand the need to change some things with how basic training is run for operational security reasons, but there were some things that could have been done properly so as not to encourage people who actually do this for a living to want to blow their gasket. I guess this could go in the Goofs section. How do you submit items for goofs on this website? I've got about two dozen.

For instance.

The first sergeant and female drill sergeants all wear their Drill Sergeant Badge in the wrong place on their uniform. it should be on the pocket not below it.

The First Sergeant is way up in the Drill Sergeant's business. First Sergeants are too busy to be doing the Drill Sergeant's job. Passing out mail? Please. They should have made Vivicia Fox a Drill Sergeant if they wanted her to play that big of a role.

Even despite it being fanmail, the army has to give soldier's their mail. Jessica Simpson would just get harrassed for the mass amounts of it, but it's against the law to keep it from them.

The company that picks you up at the Reception station is not the company that trains you. I guess that's forgivable by Hollywood standards to keep consistent with the same cadre but still. . . a discrepency.

Jessica Simpson's hair is out of regulation through 90% of her military scenes. A Drill Sergeant would jump all over that and wouldn't let it fly.

Half the time the soldiers are out of uniform and the drill sergeants don't say anything? That's one of the main reasons for yelling at Privates is uniform issues.

When the privates show attitude toward Drill Sergeants and First Sergeants, that's a good excuse to get the crap smoked out of them and followed up with an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) for disrespect.

Jessica Simpson NEVER holds her weapon right through the entire movie. When they lock and load doing the firing range, yeah, that's asking for a negligent discharge. And no, the army doesn't do any firing exercises remotely close to that.

Pony tails are not allowed in uniform, even in PT (physical training). I guess they wanted to keep Jessica Simpson looking 'cute' for her role, but that reminds me.

No drill sergeant would ever see a Private as 'cute'. Flashing a smile and flirting with the Drill Sergeants is a good way to find yourself in the front lean and rest and while getting yelled at.

Drill Sergeant Evans in this role is just asking to lose his hat and spend some time in jail. Especially in the last scene. ***spoiler*** Kissing a private right after graduation? Yeah, let's see how that flies with the real military. This guy is just begging for somebody to take his hat. I don't care if he supposedly is going to Iraq in a week, he won't be going now.

***more Spoiler Goodness***

What's with the privates hooking up with the drill sergeants at the end of the movie anyway? Who was that with Pvt Jeter may I ask? A drill sergeant? I guess he wants to lose his hat too.

The First Sergeant wouldn't have been able to get a security clearance to be First sergeant if she had starred in a porno. For precisely the reason made apparent in this movie.
***End Spoilers****

Some facts they do get right in the movie.

Chocolate cravings are a very very real thing. By week 6 you'd do almost anything for a snickers bar.

All in all, for a Army Sergeant, this is a very difficult movie to watch.

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Although I've never been near an Army base, I did wonder about the mail and hair length so thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Haha. I agree with all of what you said!

I'm in the military and I went through BASIC in 2004 *LOL and I went to Ft. Jackson*
-I don't recall BASIC having a pool.
-Or climbing ropes over water (We couldn't do one of the rope courses in Victory Lane *if I remember the name correctly* because it got wet and it was a safety hazard.
-We stayed in 'barrack' type bays, not metal huts *what is the proper name for those?*
-The payphones were located in the outside bay area of the barracks.
-And we didn't have a platoon made of just females....it was co-ed.
-It would be a reception company that would pick you up and you would stay there for a couple weeks and then you would be bussed off to your training company.
-They would of shut down the whole range for what Jessica did. And she would of been hulled off. *We had a guy do a similar thing and he had ADHD (and he was eventually booted out of the army). lulzy times*

The one thing that irritated me was the how much out of regs the hair was. I used to get in trouble for having a strand or 2 out. (Not to mention earrings Jessica wore were out of regs) or my bun not straight enough.

And the guy who played a CPT looked old enough to be a LTC or a COL. That's what I thought he was til I looked at his rank and I was like He's only a captain?? I lol'd.

The only thing I have to disagree with was we did have people in my company that did flirt with the drills, some got yelled at, some didn't. Oh favourtism. But yeah, the whole last scene...there would be no way they would get away with that. That would be blasted in the Army Times AND Stars and Stripes.
I forgot to mention when I was in basic we had a SFC as an acting 1SG and he did yell at us but not all the time.*so there's semi-truth to that.*


Admittingly: I had a good laugh through out this film. As soon as I saw it was starring Jessica Simpson, I knew I didn't have to take it seriously. It was a straight up 'C' movie.

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I'm not trying to defend the accuracy of the military's portrayal (It pretty clearly was never intended to be a perfect representation), but I just wanted to note that the platoon in the movie *was* co-ed.

I've never personally been in the military; most of my knowledge just comes from research and what family has told me, so I can't really comment on the accuracy of some of the other things, but yeah. That was one thing that they got right.

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Was it? Sorry. It just look like it was a straight female platoon. Then again I was sitting from the TV kinda far away.

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Yeah, it's a little hard to tell in most of the shots, especially since they focus mostly on the one group of girls.

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I kept on wondering where are the males in her platoon. Fort Jackson is co-ed training. Also explosions in a course? I never got that. Also I encountered it way to often that mass rain was a safety hazard LOL. Its sad when a jessica simpson makes my basic look like a cupcake version of it to some extent. Then again they never showed them get smoked like we did and there was hardly any yelling. The flirting with the dril sgt annoyed me greatly. If he wanted her that bad he can WAIT till she finishes her training and if they still have that creepy bond then look her up in the books. Safer. But even then.

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Yeah, a 1SG acting as a Drill Sergeant though? Those drill sergeants would *HATE* that 1SG for how up in their business she was.

Also, I agree, some privates do flirt with the Drill Sergeants quite a bit, especially female privates to Male Drill Sergeants. That's why you have Female Drill Sergeants, because they catch that little flirting. Indespensible in a co-ed basic. The female drill sergeants in this movie never said a word.

Note, I AM a drill sergeant. And I would be tearing into Jessica Simpsons ass all the time if that were my private. And I would also be on Drill Sergeant Evans. "Hey Battle, you WANT to lose your hat and end up in Leavenworth? Go ahead and let that private smile at you like that again, or do you want me to step in?"

I'm guessing that Captain was prior service or something. Made E7 and decided to go to the dark side. That I was able to forgive. A lot of this, um, no.

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Yes, there are many comparisons that can be made and what the film depicts is very different from the real thing. I have been there and know that real Basic Training was completely different. BUT, it is a movie, and one meant to give a few laughs. There was an Army Liaison there on the set every day. A Col. in the US Army who was sent by the Army to give the go ahead on how it was to be depicted and what just could not be allowed. For comedic reasons, he allowed certain things to be done and in some cases, he had to say no. It wasn't meant to depict the actual Army. For those who want to see an actual realistic version of it, quite honestly, they would have to enlist and go through it. Because even the videos that the Army recruiters show are not accurate at all. It's just a movie... take it as that and either enjoy it or turn it off. It is suppose to be entertainment, nothing more. No offense intended to anyone who has posted, just throwing in my thoughts.

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I too cringed at this movie, and I've been out of the Army for 10 years. I knew I'd have to suck up most of it, but many of these discrepancies were unbearable.

The way that they did Pauly Shore's "In the Army Now" made me really appreciate the lengths they went through to use actual Army standards. That movie was definitely not 100% either, but the way that drill sergeants treat you, uniforms (minus the dog tags hanging out) and many other things looked very realistic. It was even filmed at the same basic training I attended.

Based upon this movie, I think that the US Army should send free military advisors to the production of such films, just so it doesn't make the Army look as bad as this movie made it out to be. Consider it cost of advertising.

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They did have military advisers oddily enough. At least they got our uniforms correctly. Only thing they should of really kept out was Drill Sergeant love. Also why was that former sergeant going through basic training again??? In reality she wouldnt have to. Also this movie made Fort Jacksons facilities look like crap. Fort jackson has some nice stuff.

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Jesus christ, not matter what film there is this kind of thing always pops up.

Its a film, if I wanted to know what the army was really like I would go there and find out not rely on a comedy film to do so.

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I agree, although an effort to depict the army as realistic as possible is great, does it really matter? Consider, if you will, school. Only in tv and film do children stand up by their desk to answer questions, talk in the halls and only start to mosey to class AFTER the bell rings, have food fights...the list goes on. I don't hear former students flapping their gums about how the filmmakers didn't use regulation pencil sharpeners. :)

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Nice point dude63...

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Lol, I love how you gave up on the numbers of my screenname. And thank you :)

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You're probably thinking of Victory Tower. And they've since changed the whole rain thing. No lightning, no problem. It poured the day we hit Vic Tower. I immediately fell off the single rope bridge.

I only made it half-way through this movie before I was absolutely disgusted and turned it off. Biggest waste of time...

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I just finished watching the movie and it's nice to see I'm not the only one disturbed by the discrepancies. I understand not all movies can be true to the real thing. However I didn't think it was quite appropriate to show drill sergeants getting close with the recruits. Yes it was funny, I laughed. But it's not easy when you're in the military and the site of it makes you cringe. I just came back from Iraq and the whole accidental discharge I was not expecting. I'm sure I jumped a mile. The only other thing I have to add is that it's nice to see Jessica in a movie about the military. But it doesn't quite jive with what I've heard of her when she visited us troops in Kuwait last year for the Operation Myspace. Such as kicking out everyone in the coffee shop for an hour so her and her entourage can chill. Let's just say we weren't left with a good impression. But heck I'm always up to rethink my opinion of people.

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I just saw this movie, and some stuff made me cringe. I am in the Air Force, and I guess some of you guys will call me a pansy military and my BMT is easy, but definitely my Basic Training was NOT like that:

-My chow hall didn't look like that. We had tables of four, and we were supposed to sit as we were told by the Training Instructors (DS in the AF)whether we liked our tablemates or not. A girl like the one who told Valentine "don't even think about it" o something like that when she was looking for a seat will get a very good yelling from the TI for sure. Also, we had to eat in 5 minutes or less. No glancing, no chit-chatting; just sit, eat and get out!

-Those service uniforms!! According to the AFI 36-2903 (Dress and Appearance for Air Force Personnel), the sleeves of the service shirts (blues or greens) are WAY OUT OF REGULATION. The sleeves should BARELY TOUCH OR come within 1 inch of the forearm while arm is bent at a 90-degree angle. Skirts are supposed to hang naturally over the hips with a slight flare, length should be no shorter than the top of the kneecap or longer than the bottom of the kneecap. It's also LINED. In a nutshell, the shirts were TOO TIGHT, the skirts were TOO SHORT and TIGHT and they will get yelled at for not wearing a belt.

-Our AFI states that hair regulations do not apply while doing PT, but in Basic Training they DO! We had to wear our hair in a bun. No ponytail, no wild and free hair.

For the other Army inaccuracies, I am not in there, so I don't know, so it's a good thing that a lot of people posted them.

Pvt Jeter character was married to a member of the military, so I assume the guy waiting for her was her ex-husband trying to get back with her (she had a picture of her wedding to a military member on her stash), so I don't think it was wrong for her to get together with her husband. On the other side, SSG Evans was asking for disciplinary action for sure!

But for what I know, a former military member who leaves and comes back doesn't have to go through Basic Training unless he/she was dishonorably discharged (and I doubt they can make it back into the military). The only exception is if the member is cross-branching to the Marine Corps; they have to go through boot camp hell again.

About the letters: my TI got in big trouble because she gave us letters and told us to NOT OPEN them. About 2-3 days later, she allowed us to read them if we told her who was the first female in the AF (some girls looked through her PDG and found out), and one of the girls in my flight found out through her letter that her brother was killed back home probably a week ago. The section supervisor, First Sergeant and the Commander gave her a hard time.

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I think that these movies are not "accurate" in purpose (even though they have military advisors) so they wouldn't compromise any information. For example: if they show in a commercial movie how hard is the basic military training, how many kids are gonna enlist??? Like Legally Blonde, how many kids will apply for Law school if they ever see how hard is to apply for it in a real law school movie??

I also have a question for the Army people who have posted: do they issue the ACU to wear during training or they still issue old BDUs?

And spoiler!! What Steve Guttenberg's character says is right! That recruiter just shipped Valentine to BCT without even taking the ASVAB!

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I haven't seen this whole movie, I just caught a glimpse of it while flipping channels and was curious what the hell military movie had Jessica Simpson in it, haha. But as far as your post, one thing you ought to get used to watching military films as a military person is seeing uniform discrepancies like the rank issue in this film. Movies have to do little things like that (rank in wrong place, altered patches, awards bars in wrong places) because it is illegal for them to portray them completely accurately as then the actors are "impersonating a government official" (or something to that effect, I forget the exact wording). I'd like to see the movie all the way through now though as I am shipping off to basic in January (and I've heard plenty about how it really is, my mom and dad were both in the Army and I grew up on military bases and lot of my friends who I went to like middle school with are also joining or have joined and told me about their experiences) and I think it might be a good laugh later on down the road. : )

P.S. I totally hadn't thought about chocolate cravings, I'll have to try to enjoy at least one Hershey's w/ Almonds before I go to attempt to hold me over for a little bit. I love chocolate! Thanks for the heads up on that! : )

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There is a common misconception that the law requires actors portraying military personnel to wear the uniform improperly (so as to not be "impersonating" military personnel). This is simply not so. 10 U.S.C. 772(f) does authorize the wear of an armed forces uniform by an actor in a theatrical or motion picture production "if that portrayal does not tend to discredit that armed force." SCHACHT v. UNITED STATES was a Supreme Court case in 1970 which found the preceding quote unconstitutional.
As such, actors may wear the uniform in a theatrical or motion picture production without fear that it must reflect well on the military. Short version: Any movies which depict improperly worn uniforms can't use this excuse. They just screwed up.

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How about the pink lip gloss she wore all the way through? When I went through in 1993, we couldn't wear makeup, has that changed? Are you allowed to make yourself up like a stripper now, lol?

My battle buddy had sex with our (married with kids) First Sergeant. She got kicked out of the Army and he got moved down the street to a different unit to train guys instead of girls (we didn't have co-ed back then). Real fair, huh?

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Just wanted to point out that the 1stSGT wasn't in a porn movie it was supposed to be a horror b-movie about giant killer worms...

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Can't say much, I was in combat arms basic training for 16 weeks, didn't see one female in that time, definitely different than this though lol

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