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posted 14 years ago by chris12345678
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It's interesting to note that nowhere in the movie do they say that the area where the movie's taking place was before WWII a part of Poland. So let's see: Nazi Germany invades Poland, the Polish armies retreat to the East and are in turn attacked by the Soviets. The Soviets take the Polish soldiers prisoner, the ones they don't murder on the spot that is, and murder them at Katyn, which is, correct me if I'm wrong, pretty close to where this movie's taking place. Now this sheds a different kind of light on these events and some of the people's actions, which is something the makers clearly tried to avoid (why show the whole truth and make the viewers think if we can do all the thinking for them and present only what they need to know?). Correct me if I'm wrong but I hear some Belorussians and Jews (communists probably) welcomed the Soviet invader with flowers and helped them (NKVD) kill the Poles. As a result we have: Poles, Belorussians, Nazis, Soviets and Jews all hating each other and allying themselves with one or more of the other group to help them fight the others. In short, it's a violent mess but it appears, as Kurt Vonnegut had said, Poles were the ones that got the shortest end of the stick, n'est-ce pas?

It's another example of Hollywood distorting reality to achieve its brainwashing result. Turn off your gray cells and enjoy the show.

[–] aliza_tvito 14 years ago

///correct me if I'm wrong, pretty close to where this movie's taking place///

You're wrong. Maybe you did confuse between Katyn (Smolensk District of Russia) with Khatyn village (Lahojsk district, Minsk Voblast of Byelorussia, burned to the ground with all it's inhabitants - by Nazis).

///Turn off your gray cells and enjoy the show///

You're right. This product is an insult to everybody with his gray cells on.

Thank God, I'm an Atheist! - Luis Bunuel

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[–] Hildovar 14 years ago

More anti-semitic rantings. Nothing to see here.

[–] AlftheSacredBurro 13 years ago

Hildovar, the OP does not appear anti-semitic to me. He appears to be anti-propaganda, which is reasonable. Even IF this movie didn't take place where he thought it did, the fact remains that the Poles did get the shortest end of the stick and that it was a violent mess.

Debt and debt and debt and debt and debt and then All will be enslaved.

[–] aliza_tvito 13 years ago

///but I hear some Belorussians and Jews (communists probably) welcomed the Soviet invader ///

OP isn't Antisemitic, but too much preoccupied with an issue of ethnicity.

Thank God, I'm an Atheist! - Luis Bunuel

[–] AlftheSacredBurro 13 years ago

And ethnicity is not a factor in any of this?

Even though it isn't the only factor, it is a factor.

And then, the fact remains that the Poles got the short end of the pole, disregarding any ethnicity. They have for hundreds of years. Just like most of the middle east. The whole thing is about property in the end, disguised in religion or ideology.

Debt and debt and debt and debt and debt and then All will be enslaved.

[–] Slew_Foot 13 years ago

And then, the fact remains that the Poles got the short end of the pole, disregarding any ethnicity.

Well, it was only a matter of time before that metaphor got mixed up. Vonnegut's wording was inherently unstable. I wouldn't have touched it with a ten-foot....well, you know.

[–] AlftheSacredBurro 13 years ago

Well, it was only a matter of time before that metaphor got mixed up. Vonnegut's wording was inherently unstable. I wouldn't have touched it with a ten-foot....well, you know.

It's really the only reason I posted in this thread.

Debt and debt and debt and debt and debt and then All will be enslaved.

[–] chris12345678 13 years ago

::More anti-semitic rantings. Nothing to see here.

Cryptic as all troll vomit is. As opposed to pro-semitic rantings which you find commendable? You mean nothing to see here for a little racist troll perhaps. If you're looking for something to see then go to a concert or buy a playboy. If only all trolls followed this simple rule this would be a much nicer board to drop in on. As it is, it's looking like a gulag or North Korea.

[–] aliza_tvito 13 years ago

///.. pro-semitic rantings...///

Hey, wake up. It's ok to be pro-semitic (pro-polish, pro-french, pro-vietnamese, pro-mexican .... etc etc etc.

It's bad to be antisemitic (anti-polish, anti-french, anti-vietnamese, anti-mexican .... etc etc etc.

Just make some mental effort, and see how simple the things are.

Listen to your enemy, for God is talking

[–] chris12345678 13 years ago

::Hey, wake up. It's ok to be pro-semitic (pro-polish, pro-french, pro-vietnamese, pro-mexican .... etc etc etc.

Overwhelming evidence exists which proves that there should be a limit to pro, and not all pro is that cool (pro-cockroach for example), just like not all anti is bad (anti-war for example), the important thing is to keep a healthy balance, and this individual has obviously lost his.

[–] aliza_tvito 13 years ago

//pro-cockroach for example///

what do you mean by that, you Holy Simplicity?

Listen to your enemy, for God is talking