This is a movie where the audience is supposed to feel bad for a cheating scumbag and his homewrecking wh0re? Pathetic. I have no doubts whatsoever about the kind of person who came up with this plot...
shareYeah......this looks....bizarre at best. Me thinks an *beep* writer destroyed a family and now we get this movie.
Interested to see the critics take on this.
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Wow, are you all really that naive and self-righteous? Saying that a woman losing a child is karma for them having an affair is really beyond ridiculous. Every get's a side. Did you ever stop to think that maybe she was a terrible wife, or that they were having issues already and were drifting apart from one another? Not everyone who cheats is a terrible person. Temptation can't always be avoided if you are unhappy where you are.
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Have you met anyone b4? Most are self righteous to some degree or in a given situation. But I didn't have any sympathy for Portman's character either. It's so easy to talk about the 1st marriage and assume that the 1st wife was a *unt or a *itch, which makes it okay?
If you meet a married person that wants to have an affair chances are they will tell you their spouse is the devil and you are an angel sent to save them. That it is a loveless, sexless marriage that they are trapped in for one reason or another. The other times if you want to be with a married person and they tell you their spouse is magic and sunshine, you will find some way to still be their savior if they will have you.
It's a controversial film but I will see it.
It's eleven o'clock, who are you looking to hook up with, Spike and Drusilla?
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"Maybe she was a terrible wife"
That doesn't justify cheating.
"or that they were having issues already and drifting apart"
That doesn't justify cheating.
"Not everyone who cheats is a terrible person"
No, not everyone who cheats is a terrible person. But they did do a terrible THING.
"Temptation can't always be avoided"
Um, yes it can. It's called consideration and self-control. Two extremely important skills to have when you decide to get married. A person can officially end their marriage before being a selfish cheating coward and having an affair (the husband). Or a person could actually have the scruples to be BOTHERED by the fact that a man is married and not have an affair with him (Amelia).
There is no excuse for cheating. You're unhappy?Either work on it with your partner or leave the relationship. But don't get with someone else while in relationship. That is cheating and there is no excuse to it.
shareThere is no excuse for cheating. You're unhappy?Either work on it with your partner or leave the relationship. But don't get with someone else while in relationship. That is cheating and there is no excuse to it.
This has been established already, put I feel like throwing in my two cents. How the *beep* is cheating justified by having your child die?! What the *beep* is wrong with you??????!!!!!!!
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looks progressive and honest. Marriages fail often, and if you find you love out of marriage you should end your marriage. Plus this is only the trailer. I'll see it eventually
shareOr you can just make sure that the first person you marry is the right one. Spouses are not like cars, where you can drive the one you own to the lot so you can test drive another.
I guess the meek can inherit the Earth now. It looks like the stupid aren't doing anything with it.
That's what I would do as well, but art imitates life just as much as life imitates art. This is a progressive movie saying it's ok to leave a marriage you're not happy in. Hopefully over time it will evolve in that direction over films that show you should stay with a spiteful spouse because you had a kid together. Be more selfish. I'm down for stupid people losing power all day. You should focus on thinking forward and thinking of the progression of film like the progression of law.
Just my opinion, not law.
Temptation can't always be avoided if you are unhappy where you are.
Temptation can't always be avoided if you are unhappy where you are.
Interesting.
I think I respectfully disagree. It may certainly be tough, but temptation can always be avoided. Free will. It's a choice. It depends on a person's perception of "right and wrong" and how much they value the concept of both.
So, people who have affairs misunderstand right and wrong is that it? They're just uneducated?
Also, some people have a different view on what is "right" and "wrong." They're not uneducated... They just might have been raised differently than you, spiritually/religiously or otherwise
Also, they might not place value in being "right." They might not care. If they don't share the same morals as yourself, they're not going to feel like "they were wrong, but did it anyways."
Cheating is progressive? I don't think so.
Unless you are absolutely miserable, you can remind yourself that you made something called a COMMITMENT and perhaps try to avoid situations where you would fall for another girl/guy. The whole reason people date and date and have boyfriends/girlfriends BEFORE getting married is to make sure they find the right one. The level of commitment in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship and an actual marriage is exorbitantly different.
This thread disgusts me. Yes, you feel bad for the the "homewrecking whore", as you put it, and the man who cheated. They lost a *beep* child, you insensitive bastard.
I love how someone said "make sure it's the right person your first time around", like it's really that easy. Is there something I'm missing here, do you have a little radar that goes off in your head that tells "Hey, this is the one for you, so if you marry her, you will live happily ever after". Sorry, but that's not the real world, you meet someone, you fall in love, you marry the one you love....and guess what kids, you sometimes fall out of love, and you sometimes fall in love with someone else. I haven't seen this movie, but from what I see, it's a good thing that he gets with this "homewrecking whore", because he ends up falling in love with her, they get married, and have a baby. Now, will it work out for the long term? Who knows, but to sit here and act as if finding "the one" is easy is *beep* ridiculous.
So to sum this all up, the OP is a piece of *beep* and most of the people that posted in this thread are naive.
I love all the so-called "progressives" here justifying adultry -- just another way of saying "How dare you judge me for doing something wrong." It's betrayal at its ugliest and you all know it. If you don't, you're deluded.
The expression "We're only human," in case one of you progressives were thinking that, means we are just as capable of doing the RIGHT thing. Doesn't matter that we all do bad things sometimes....you don't justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behaviors. It's not complex. It's not progressive. Cheating is WRONG, plain and simple.
End the marriage, then go have your flings. If one of them leads to marriage, good for you.
I hate your stupid signature
They had a baby . . . that's dead. I bet they didn't see that on their love radar.
shareAffair couples rarely take much of anything into account before running off and doing their selfish, hurtful, destructive acts.
The success rate long term for affair couples is less than five percent.
The regular divorce rate is fifty percent.
I will take a 50-50 chance with a regular relationship over 5% with an affair any day...
That's excluding the morality issue entirely and based purely on the selfish factors alone.
People who support, advocate, or believe its a good idea to pursue affairs are stupid stupid stupid.
They need to watch "Unfaithful" a few more times.. And get it through their tick skull.. Apparently these two missed the screening...
Clearly, none of you have heard of the movie 'Hall Pass', but of course you would take that movie seriously and not note the fact that it's a comedy...
Grow up and stop acting like this is an unheard of topic. Surprise! It's been happening for centuries!
This movie simply has the gall to actually explore that topic, in a more dramatic way than 'Hall Pass', and yet you're acting like it's Satan incarnate. Here, you wanna help? Why don't you actually go out into the world and help the actual problem. Oh, that's right, you're too busy trolling from your high pedestal on something that won't be changed.
For those saying how immoral it is, and don't think I'm saying it isn't, you're referring to the religious side of 'marriage', and yet you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
In regards to the catholic sacrament of marriage, it has absolutely nothing to do with the state. Why do I bring that up? Because that's where everyone assumes the 'divorce process' ends. It doesn't end there, beyond popular belief. Getting a simple 'divorce' is a declaration of the end of a civil union between two partners according to the state and country they reside in. It has nothing to do with the sacrament of marriage.
Getting an 'Annulment' is a permission given by the Pope for two partners to end a marriage.
Why do I bring this up? Because three quarters, probably more, of the once-married population, from now until the beginning of time, have souls damned to hell because they didn't get an annulment.
That said, get your facts straight, and then defend your point so you can actually sound like you know what you're speaking about. There's a difference between 'ending a civil union' and 'ending a marriage', a difference you clearly didn't know.
How much you wanna bet the regular annulment rate is less than ten percent because of peoples' ignorance very similar to your own?
And why am I making a connection between the catholic sacrament and what you said? Because you, and everyone else bashing this film for your same reasons, continuously say how 'immoral' it is and how 'wrong' it is. A break in civil union is not as 'immoral' as a break in marriage. And yet you speak nothing about annulling the marriage, only about divorcing the civil union.
Of course, then you're going to say:
"But the definition of 'divorce' is 'a legal decree dissolving a marriage!"
And I'll say, "Exactly! It is a /legal/ decree. Let me inform you that State and Religion are separate."
And then you'll say, "But the definition of annulment is 'a legal procedure for declaring a marriage null and void'!"
And I'll say, "Very good! But an annulment is retroactive, and it is also a canonical procedure according to the Church's Canon Law whereby an ecclesial tribunal judges whether the bond of matrimony in a particular case was entered into validly."
Just to get that out of the way now.
Now, don't confuse my tirade here with something else and assume that I think committing adultery is good, because I don't. I simply find it as my civic duty to inform you of something pretty important in your argument that you have yet to mention once.
In all simplicity, you, and others defending the same point, are advocating 'getting a divorce' but speak nothing about an annulment. Basically, your are advocating people damning their souls while at the same time telling them to save their souls. Not only are you confusing that general public, but you are condoning them to damn their soul at the same time.
Good job.
Because of people like you, Wars take place.
Um. Yeah. I said that about making sure it's the right person. I come from a strong Christian background in which marriage is sacred and a VERY serious decision. My parents have been married for 40 years. My wife and I are closing in on ten years, we're still going strong, and we got married at 23. We both dated a lot of people, but we would never have married anyone else.
A person knows after a short time if a person has the same ideals and morals they do, they know if their personalities match up. People that get divorced got married for one of two reasons: They were in LUST, not love, or they got knocked up.
"Love" is a word thrown around far too lightly in this day and age. You can fall out of lust, or infatuation, or whatever. You can't fall out of real love. Real Love is sharing your life with your VERY best friend every day for the rest of your life.
I guess the meek can inherit the Earth now. It looks like the stupid aren't doing anything with it.
I agree with you @hemorrhage911
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I don't think this movie is condoning infidelity. My dad cheated on my mom when I was kid. He was honest and told her the truth. She wanted to divorce him. He then married the woman with whom he cheated on her. My mom did everything she could to turn me against him and she succeeded. I didn't even want to be with him. When I was in my twenties I decided that I wanted to confront him whith what he had done. So I went to see him. We talked. And, for the first time, I got to understand him. What he did was wrong: it hurt my mom and me. But, looking back, it would have been a lot worse if he had stayed married to my mom; it would have made the three of us miserable. Also, I realized that nothing would be accomplished if had divorced and stayed single as a punishement. I realized that, in spite of what he did, he had the right to be happy. And ultimately, it was for the best.
Oh, and, inan1200, what kind of person do you think came up with this plot? A husband who cheated? The woman with whom he cheated? Or maybe, just maybe, it was someone like me...
Anyway, whatever they did, losing a child is a tragedy of unimaginable proportions. Saying that they deserved it is just plain cruel. Noone deserves such a thing.
Well stated whiteowl. I was in nearly the same "family".
Maybe the judgment of some people is an indicator of their own guilt...maybe they didn't cheat or weren't cheated on, but they might have wanted to (deep down) or they suspected.
Either way, human beings are what they are. The true evil in the world shouldn't center around a cheater or the "other" person, but those that are truly evil.
Get over it, people fall in and out of love, they marry without knowing each other or without the morals to try to save a marriage. They find others and some don't have the will power to not go out an cheat, that does NOT mean a child dying is their price to pay. It means that at some point it will happen again and their hearts are broken by it.
To wish that kind of pain on anyone is an indicator of the wisher moral standing, not the person the "wisher" feels so hateful toward.
I'm fortunate, the woman my father remarried is a good lady. She's not my mother, but then my mother wasn't perfect either.
Geez, there are some judgemental people on these boards.
Oh look at that, I just joined them.
You so called "progressives" need to educate yourself on infidelity.
Helen Fisher and many other academics have proven with an MRI that infidelity is an "addiction" not unlike cocaine addiction or a gambling addiction... Proven many many years ago.
Try reading Why We Love or any other of Fishers' several books on the mechanics of the brain when people are in love. She's mapped the brain "in love" with an MRI. The brain in love has the exact same brain activity shifts as someone on cocaine... She's proven it with an MRI many years ago.
Or try reading Not Just Friends, a landmark book by Shirley Glass who spent over twenty years researching infidelity. Glass too argues that infidelity is an addiction. Her book's been celebrated for several years now as well.
You call yourself "progressive?" I call it uneducated.
Infidelity is an addiction. Smarten up people.
Falling in love while you are married is an addictive escape.. You think affair couples run off into the sunset enjoying the rest of their lives together?
The actual success rate for affair couples long term is less than five percent.
That's reality.
Do your research.
Escaping into sex with someone in secret isn't much different than drowning yourself in booze or mortgaging your home for a few thrill infested weekends at a casino.
Hello?
Educate yourselves people.
Infidelity isn't a romantic tragedy, it's a selfish escape that destroys homes, families, and lives.
If your marriage is failing, you fix it. If after educating yourself and working with a professional for six months or a year, be honest with each other and negotiate a resolution with your spouse like an adult.
Sneaking around behind your spouse's back isn't the way to repair a marriage or end one. It's a coward's solution to a painful problem. Escaping into infidelity is not a solution.... Infidelity is a self-indulgent and devastating escape from the reality of your problems.
You "progressives" need to watch fewer Hollywood movies and start reading some of the current research on infidelity, addiction, and the science of marriage. Get your brain out of fantasy land and read a real book.
The success rate of infidelity long term is less than five percent. Do your research. Infidelity is not a romantic tragedy where one spouse is changed for another. The long term success rate of infidelity couples is less than five percent.
You people think covertly swapping spouses and putting innocent children through needless divorce and custody battles is progressive?
Smarten - up.
Test driving an infidelity partner behind the back of your current vehicle? I wonder what your own spouse would have to say to that?
Remind me not to explore marriage with any of you so called "progressives."
If sexual escapism and the destruction of homes and families is your idea of progress, I don't want to be living in your world.
Grow up and educate yourself.. you so called "progressives".
From the comments on this board, one thing seems apparent: many of you have never gone through this kind of thing first-hand. Therefore, it's probably a good idea not to comment in such a judgmental and preachy way, for EITHER side. It's a movie, not real life. Movies are there to entertain, not to move people to stand on their soapboxes and spout off their self-righteous attitudes.
shareI'd recommend everyone take a deep breath. Life just isn't as black and white as this conversation.
"Love is supreme and unconditional." - Duke Ellington.
I Love Sam Winchester.
Sorry, but in my world EVERYTHING is black and white. Good or evil. If you can't be faithful, DON'T GET MARRIED. It's not like society frowns on it anyway.
I guess the meek can inherit the Earth now. It looks like the stupid aren't doing anything with it.
ugh! STFU and go back to church, Flanders!
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It's a movie, not real life. Movies are there to entertain, not to move people to stand on their soapboxes and spout off their self-righteous attitudes.
LOL are you an 80 year old virgin?
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