When no one challenges him, he rules the playground. Once a brave person stands up to him, he crumbles and runs crying and whining to the principal's office.
The myth is Cus D'Amato's death resulted in Tyson's life going off the rails. Not true, Tyson committed all kinds of crimes against women when he was with Cus, he committed all kinds of crimes against women after Cus...er, what difference did Cus make?
Don't buy the revisionist history.
They had him training pretty hardcore. When Tyson started believing his own hype and changed his team and trainers is when he went to hell. He wasn't training well or even training hardly at all for that matter. He just figured he could knock anyone out on command. He forgot that "boxing" takes work and dedication.
Every man has a price to charge and a price to pay. Yeah, I've payed mine in spades. <-- Gambit
I don't think Cus D'Amato was some kindly old man, it seems that all he was doing was training Tyson like an animal, making him a killing machine. Tyson himself says that was Cus told him was that nobody could *beep* with him and that he would kill them if they did. Obviously D'Amato saw the raw emotion in Tyson and crafted it to his own ends. It didn't seem like he was helping him with this obvious emotional problems. It's sad to see how everyone around Tyson treated him so poorly and basically used him for their own purposes.
Tyson is not an admirable person by any stretch of the imagination, unlike Ali, who had excellent self discipline and strong character. But it is fascinating to hear him speak, sometimes eloquently, sometimes incoherently and also seeing footage of him in his prime, what a monster he was!
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"Tyson is not an admirable person by any stretch of the imagination, unlike Ali, who had excellent self discipline and strong character."
Funny how everyone is going on about "blah blah revisionist history blah blah cry blah blah" when everyone forgets what a piece of *beep* Ali was way back in the day.
Obviously you've never boxed, let alone been in a gym. Tyson wouldn't have made it past 18 years old if Cus didn't train him "like an animal".
I will relieve those unrelieved. And set living beings in nirvana.
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You think Ali was an admirable person? Do yourself a favor and watch Thrilla in Manila on HBO. Ali was a despicable person. Ali was a loudmouth, an ingrate when it came to Frazier. His behavior towards Frazier was disgraceful and then he was never man enough to apologize to him.
No kidding. Ali is a good person is one of the biggest propaganda lies in popular culture after Mother Teresa. He was a big mouth racist piece of crap.
shareTyson forgot watching Rocky III. "Eye of the Tiger..." ha ha
shareI couldn't agree more. Don't any of you dare feel sorry for this guy. This is a man who, as a teenager, would help little old ladies home and carry their groceries for them, then when he got them alone, he'd punch them in the face and rob them. As another poster commented, he committed atrocities towards women before, during and after Cus D'Amato was around. Mike Tyson is a vile human being who has now, through medication, possibly realized that he will eventually die cold, along and broke. Now they're trying to rewrite history in hopes that we feel bad for how his life as turned out. No thanks. Scum like this will get what they deserve in the end.
shareI don't doubt that this movie is very one-sided and plays Mike out to be the victim, but I still wouldn't be too quick to dole out judgment. Personally, I could take one look at Tyson without knowing anything about him and feel sorry for him. I'm not justifying any of his behavior or suggesting that we should all fall over each other to try and help him. But at the same time, I can't bring myself to say he's getting what he deserves.
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its easy to judge another human being
if your so far from his struggles and circumstances in life
but id rather just not judge, and try to focus on bettering myself
its totally not useful for any of us to comment on someone elses life
if were so far from it and might act just like he did or worse
its like im deaf i love watching movies in silence!!
You americans live in your own "little" world. All your so called "heros" was full of doping. He possible had a weak mind that was effected by doping and by a people who took advantage of him. But that is commen in a "democratic" country when rich people can do what they want.
Take a look at some real heros:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYsLM06hRuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NPVpI9zUpI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Sy2-pRBF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhF1c4InaMo
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None of these people are heroes. They're just athletes.
Also, to the person above me, I really don't think there's any reason to be jealous of the American way of life.
we don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic you pretentious euro twit. Come talk to me when you have an open border with a third world country. Take your obtuse view of america, and shove it up your keister, that is if you're head's not already taking up all the space.
shareIt's a democratic republic. So there.
shareMost of the people caught doping at the Olympics are europeans.
Another euro-trash douche bag. The only thing that surpasses your stupidity and ignorance is your bigotry.
I hope you are 12 because having athletes as "heros" is pathetic and childish.
Jerry speaks the truth guys. Life time boxing fans know what the deal is.
shareMike Tyson is a legend! I believed Cus D'Amato and a few others were the only ones who ever cared about Mike Tyson the person. Everyone else just wanted a piece of the champ's success.
Don't talk like that about pigs they're usually much nicer than peopleshare
If Tyson was a straight-laced young man, he never would have wound up under D'Amato's tutelage. I mean, let's be honest here. How many middle-to-upper class kids/teens turn into professional boxers? Look at the Mexicans, the Puerto Ricans, the Thai, the African-Americans.... many of the best fighters in the world, regardless of race, had to overcome poverty, bad neighborhoods, gangs, crime, lack of education, etc.
Mike Tyson became Mike Tyson because he evolved into what he was used for. We heaped this money on him, bowed to him, and turned our heads when the negative stuff outside the ring happened. We didn't mold him; we bathed in his misfortune.
Karma caught up with him, though, and he has recieved justice. I firmly do not believe that he raped the young lady. But I believe that he did almost everything else. He has issues. I hope he finds serenity, and learns to appreciate life without needing all the materialistic crap.
But I'll never forgive him for losing to Lewis.
I believe if Cus had stayed alive Tyson wouldn't of had the career he had. Yes I think he would of won the championship belts,but he didn't have that leadership or the wisdom that Cus gave him. In the end that kind of lead to his down fall he said it himself Cus was basically like a father and the one person he truly trusted. When you lose someone you trust you look to others to trust and in doing so others can take advantage of you.
Tyson by no means is a good guy per say, and he says this he's done bad things and it took boxing to really get him out of doing the things he was doing and it just so happens that he was good at knocking dudes out it became his calling. You can't judge him on the things he did as a child or pre-teen, because if you don't have the right figures in your life to sit there and tell you that your doing wrong then how can you really learn anything? growing up in the ghetto is hard. I grew up in the south bronx,nyc in the 80's and it was the slums abandon building you could walk anywhere without stepping on a crack vile and in Brooklyn it was probably worst, so i understand what he went thru if you never lifed that life then you just don't get it
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Judging from the documentary and Tyson's own words it seems the major themes of his life were:
I'm a Beast (spirit, strength, ferocity)
I'm a Warrior (discipline, self control, training)
I love Fighting
I have trust issues
That was his life. He functioned his best when he believed he was both a Beast and a Warrior. Over time he lost the warrior within him and all that was left was his reckless ferocity, untamed and uncontrolled. Then he stopped loving to fight and that led to depression and deep lack of fulfillment.
The tragedy was he lost the thing he loved to do: fighting. Although it seems that he did learn to trust some people and become a family man. For that I am glad for him.
Calling Tyson a bully is simplifying 40+ years of a man's life.
"Calling Tyson a bully is simplifying 40+ years of a man's life."
You're expecting too much out of IMDB users, honestly. Especially the OP.
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