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I'm sorry Norway, we should have been there for you!


When the *beep* Nazis invaded Norway and Denmark, Sweden should have sent troops and airplanes to at least TRY to beat them back. But we didn't.
I think that every living swede still feels a bit of shame about that.

I know I do.

I know we didn't actually have the troops and planes to send, but still.

And I also know that Sweden was actually very pro germany, in some cases even pro Nazi.

But still, If this happens again, I will be the first to go to Norway with a gun in my hand.

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Well, there is the old joke about the world smallest book is the one about Swedish war heroes. But you can't deny that Sweden being a free haven for saboteurs from Norway was very important when fleeing the country. Had Sweden tried to fight Germany, they would most likely have lost.

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First, in defence of my forebears, I must say that though Sweden has enjoyed peace for more than 200 years - often paid for by others by the way - Gustav II Adolf and Karl XII will stand up to any comparison. The former went to war with the great Catholic nations of Europe in the 1600s in defence of the Protestants and even had plans to go all the way to Rome and depose the pope. He was very successful in battle too, until he was killed at Lützen. The latter, who was only 16 when he became a king, took on Denmark, Poland and Russia when they tried to take back what Sweden gained during the 30 years war, thinking it easy to frighten off a teenage king.
Well, they were wrong. He swiftly defeated Denmark and Poland and had Peter the Great on the run until he ran out of steam far into Russia. These two kings were among the most famous warrior kings of all time, especially Karl XII, who unlike most kings bore the same uniform as his men and rode in the lead of his cavalry, and with 8 000 men defeated Russia's +30 000 at Narva. So much for that.
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Secondly, I do feel ashamed of my country's behaviour during WWII. We let the Germans move + 2 000 000 troops transport through Sweden to and from Norway, and we sold quality steel to the Germans that was indispensable to their war effort. As neutrals, we were allowed by the allies to trade with both sides, but in calculating the quota allowed, we counted all the countries occupied by Germany, meaning almost all of Europe! For a time, Churchill even considered bombing our mines up north.

So Germany hardly needed to occupy Sweden; they got all they wanted anyway.
Certainly, there were heroes like Raoul Wallenberg, but as long as Germany was winning, anti-Nazi newspaper editors were censored.

It is easy to see why Denmark, Norway and Finland treasure their freedom so highly. It is less easy to see why we should hold it so cheaply and nationalism as something to be shunned.

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Thanks Robert. I'll remind you of this promise if the sh!t hits the fan again ;-)

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Sweden did lot's of non-violent things to help against the germans.

For example, as 'Buddy_Dakota' said, Sweden was an important safe haven for Norwegian resitance fighters, Sweden also helped support the norwegian resistance through funding and "Police training" for norwegian resistance fighters.

Sweden saved a lot of jews through Raoul Wallenberg and the white busses and managed to negotiate to save danish jews from deportation.

Sweden also stopped all trade with germany when the threat of a german invasion was no longer real.

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staying neutral in a war is nothing to be ashamed of. It's a tough situation though, no doubt.

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