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Is this another 'Torture is good like in '24'' kind of movie?

posted 16 years ago by al666940-3
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Because I have no idea what's about, besides the torture scene and the basic plot.

If this is another torture advocate film, the makers should be waterboarded until they confess being Jesuschrist and Budda reincarnated (would get them a REAL feeling of what torture can get you to say, whether it's true or not).

Anybody thinks torture does any good (besides getting your rocks off)?

I sure don't, if the point is to obtain good intel.

I've read every possiblee xcuse for it, they all fall apart on account of two reasons:

1.- If you don't have the time to get the info by rapport (how cops and spies get baddies to confide and spill the beans on their own) or another humane mean, how can you corroborate what they spit? Corroboration takes time no matter how you slice it.

2.- If you say "I already know enough to tell a lie from what I need to hear, or have intel to corroborate", then the torture is really just for sadism. If you know that much already, what you really need it for?

I don't say torture can't get good intel, I just say that when used properly to get good intel (you take time to corroborate), you could have used any other method instead, since you have time/resources.

Captured nazies and imperial japanese sure didn't need to be tortured to cooperate in WWII, and they did. Name any other type of individual more fanatic (and at the same time, smart and efficient, so crazed jihadists are out) than them.

I live in Mexico, so I'm well aware to what kind of intel torture gets you (no one tortures like our cops).

[–] DJ-Ren 16 years ago

Plus, if you read anything on torture, you'll learn that a) anything somebody says while you're hitting their toes with a sledgehammer isn't gonna be reliable, because people will say anything to get the pain to stop (even Kiefer Sutherland acknowledges this whenever he's interviewed about the torture scenes in "24"); and b)through the CIA's "research into torture methods" (*cough* what they learned through their decades of torture usage *cough*), they have found that the THREAT of pain elicits much better responses than ACTUAL infliction of pain.

But to answer your question, "torture is good" is NOT a message I got from this movie. In fact, just the opposite - being a torturer has some really f'ed up consequences for the torturer.

-ak

[–] Mr_McLaurel 16 years ago

" people will say anything to get the pain to stop "

Sure, when they're innocent. But on 24 Jack Bauer almost always knows who's guilty and who isn't. That's the magic of fiction.

What's the Spanish for drunken bum?

[–] DJ-Ren 16 years ago

Yeah, and they don't lie to Bauer under torture unless they need it to happen for the sake of the plot. Still an amazing show, though.

-ak

[–] Dejay 15 years ago

No it's not really a film advocating torture. Torture is only ok in one instance, and one instance only and that is (spoiler ahead) it's OK to torture someone if you're undercover and need to advance in an criminal organization. Yeah.
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[–] homeydawgd 15 years ago

This movie isnt reslly a movie about torture. It is actually quite poorly named. The act of torture really is a small portion of this movie and isnt near as bad as in many torture movies these days.