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Why I felt cheated by this game (spoilers)...

posted 15 years ago by Temiken
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Ok...I didn't actually play the game, but I've heard it should be considered somewhat canon.

That being said, what really pisses me off is that Vader got his ass kicked by Starkiller. Serioulsy, Darth Vader is supposed to be the baddest badass to ever be bad adn we've now seen him get his ass kicked three times.

1) He loses to Obi-wan in ROTS. We knew this was always the case and it's believable considering Obi-wan is considered one of the greats.

2) He loses to Luke at the end of ROTJ. Again, we've grown up with this and we can understand as Luke was his son / next-best-thing.

3) Starkiller really *beep* him up in the game. From the cut-away seens Vader is demasked, tossed-around and humiliated.

Now, Vader has always been the anti-hero. We want him to be the ultimate evil, but geez, if he's going to constantly get his ass-kicked, doesn't that diminish his overall meaning? I get that he was "the chosen one" and that he lost a lot of his power when he lost his limbs, etc. But, we figured that he was still the second toughest SOB next to The Emperor, right? So, now comes along a new character, whom he trains, that beats him up?

I don't know. I want to ignore this part of the story, but again, I've heard folks from Lucasfilm saying that what happens in this game should be considered canon.....

How do you guys feel?

[–] TheKara 15 years ago

1st. This is actually considered canon. It isnt "considered somewhat" it is in fact canon.

2nd. Now granted I havent read all the canon material or anything like that. But I believe that Anakin was to bring balance to the force through the birth of Luke, not himself.

Anakin never showed any real skill when it came to fighting anyone of exceptional skill with the force. So basically he got overhyped by the fans and his fearsome presence that people believed he was a kick ass fighter.

Also after seeing all the stuff he went through growing up some people actually felt sorry for him when he gave into the darkside. They werent cheering for him or anything because of it.

[–] Rex_Rocker 15 years ago

You have to realize Vader is much older and is mostly a robot, he isn't as fast as a person with all of their limbs intact who is also half his age. Luke and Starkiller have a great advantage over him. Vader has the experience, but he lacks the physical abilities and maybe even the drive and determination Luke and Starkiller had.

2nd. Now granted I havent read all the canon material or anything like that. But I believe that Anakin was to bring balance to the force through the birth of Luke, not himself.

Anakin brought balance to the force by killing the emperor, if the emperor killed Luke the Jedi would all be destroyed.

[–] straydogg_ryde_or_die 15 years ago

I was listening to an audio commentary or interview or something of George Lucas, and he said that Anakin was the chosen one and did bring balance to the force. He also said that he would have been the most powerful jedi or force user ever if he hadn't have fallen to the dark side and lost most of his limbs. It was a testement to his power that he was able to survive after that, I mean he was stil pretty powerful even in the later years, its just Luke and the Apprentice were completely healthy. Lucas also said that the only reason Obiwan beat Vader the first time was that he was focused on his hate for Obiwan and became overconfident. Wow I really feal like a geek now.

[–] Briguy_17 14 years ago

Anakin brought balance to the force by killing the emperor, if the emperor killed Luke the Jedi would all be destroyed.

Not true. Leia has force abilities. And she later (in the expanded universe) passed her force abilities to her three children, Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin.

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[–] Doc80 14 years ago

There is no need for the spoilers there. I think most people that have played the game are aware of what happens in this novels. If only a little bit. That being said. Though it's true that Leia has force abilities, if Luke dies who is supposed to teach her how to harness it. When Luke faces off against Vader in Return of the Jedi he is in fact the last known living Jedi.

[–] Rex_Rocker 14 years ago

Not true. Leia has force abilities. And she later (in the expanded universe) passed her force abilities to her three children, Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin.

No true because Leah wasn't a Jedi. A lot of people are born force sensitive, but at the time of episode VI Luke was the last of the Jedi. The film is named Return of the Jedi because that is what happens, Vader killing the emporer is what brings balance back to the force and saving Lukes life brings on the rebuilding of the Jedi.

The only reason why she was able to help recreate the Jedi was that Luke trained her to be a Jedi. If Luke died and never trained her she would have never become a Jedi and none of her children would have become Jedi either.

[–] zekk4hire 14 years ago

Far as Leia goes, you gotta keep in mind the whole story from Empire and RotJ were constantly changing from their first draft, so Lucas was kinda making it up as he went along. Luke's sister and Leia were originally scripted as separate characters, with the sister off being trained by another in the event Luke failed.

Far as Vader's skills in fighting, in the prequels he brags he was almost as good as Yoda, but only person he fights before losing any limbs was Dooku. Considering he was holding his own against both Kenobi and Anikin... either spoke volumes for Dooku's skills or less for the other two, but lost later to them in RotS, so who knows.

For him being tossed around in the game, Starkiller had more hatred than Vader to pull power from in addition to having all his limbs and youth. The game does have 2 endings. The 2nd ending, and the later DLC, having him replace Vader for the original trilogy's events.

[–] rkosnake 14 years ago

Not only that, but the fact that the Emperor believed that Starkiller could be his equal says a lot, since well, the Emperor is considered to be the most powerful Sith in history.

[–] zekk4hire 14 years ago

I don't think anyone ever says that... I believe Bane is considered to be most powerful. (I don't read that era) Sidious was just the first they'd seen in most of the Republic's history. He simply took advantage of the Jedi being ignorant and content.

[–] rkosnake 14 years ago

Palpatine, also known as Darth Sidious, was the last Chancellor of the Galactic Republic and the first Emperor of the Galactic Empire. He was a Dark Lord of the Sith who followed the Rule of Two and was the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Palpatine was able to establish his Empire by concocting a complex master plan, which involved starting the Clone Wars, a galaxy-wide conflict that cost billions of sentient lives, and secretly playing both sides, until he replaced the Republic with the Galactic Empire and nearly exterminated the Jedi.

I know Bane was a really good Sith, but the fact that Sidious was secretly controling both the Republic and the Separatists, kept his identity from the Jedi and then killing them shortly after becoming Emperor gives him a lot of points

[–] robitussin217 14 years ago

I've seen people suggest Starkiller is more powerful because Vader is a robot for the most part. But, didn't Vader tell Starkiller he was "rebuilt?" He was stabbed by Vader and thrown into space, then retrieved in order to be rebuilt. Wouldn't that make him also a robot? Or, does the freezing of the vacuum of space cause less damage than being burned alive and the organs rejuvenated? Man, these siths sure are put through the ringer.

[–] Adept34501 13 years ago

Thats why you felt cheated? Not the camera angles, not the ridiculous boss battles, but because they may have retconed the story. OK if you say so.

[–] shfhsxxx 10 years ago

Starkiler is equal to Palpatine in force power. If he was become his apprentice after years of hard training he will have become exactly like him.