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Would Iran have computers at the airport in 1980?!


I find it very hard to believe that a backwards country like Iran would have computers (or maybe terminals?) at the airport check-in back in 1980.

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I'm surprised people let you near a computer.

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Aw, the little baby IMDb member of a whole whopping 7 years has decided to respond to my post?

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You would prefer no one respond? Any who, Iran did have such electronics and devices that time, it was years later when Ayatollah got back things were going down the drain, that the people especially those that wanted rights complained that there wasn't enough resources to help them even though Ayatollah promised everyone would have free heating telephone and electricity, he just wanted support, it never happened and everyone suffered especially when he said his infamous "economics is for donkeys" most of those people who could work computers fled Iran so there wasn't a lot of people that knew how to operate them years later. Well they still had diplomatic relations with several western powers(America was the one they hated) so maybe they asked help from them?

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Aw, the little baby IMDb member of a whole whopping 7 years has decided to respond to my post?


Yes because the years spent as a registered user definitely decides who is right in a discussion. You do know that being a member for 13 years doesn't make you all knowing?

If Quentin Tarantino were to register today I suppose your opinions of Pulp Fiction would supersede his based on your comment :/

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Nothing beats being a registered user.

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How dont you understand. we "newfa*s" must bend before him, "oldf*g" because thats how internet works. obviuosly.

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So, how backward do you think Iran was back then?

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I just find it very unrealistic. The IBM PC was not even released until 1981. PCs were not common in offices until the early to mid 80s. For Iran to have a fully computerized booking system at their airport in 1980 is far fetched, in my view.

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Maybe..but I have the impression that personal computers where not exactly what they used back then, but they did use a computerized system (just that not something you could go buy at the computer-store at the corner).
I dont a remember a ticket system thats not computerized in some way (and Im almost 40, and live in latin america.

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Computer terminals hooked into mainframes had been in use for at least two decades. So, while accurate to say the PC wasn't around, individual terminals with mainframe connections were widely used. I believe the IBM 2260 model came out in the early 1960's.

Airlines started computerizing their schedules and ticketing in the early 70's. Entirely likely Iran had computers.

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They have computers but they don't work. I mean keep in mind this is a third world country, where people kill each other on the streets everyday. Iran is similar to the Flintstones.

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If you pay any attention to the news, some wackjob somewhere in the U.S. is always "going postal" and murdering a bunch of innocent people. That guy who took his mother's guns and shot and killed all those elementary school kids recently was a true American.
I'm convinced you're a troll now. You had me going there for a while, but now I know you're just kidding around. Good show. :]


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But in all fairness BetterLikeThis, Americans prefer not to kill each other on the streets. They much prefer to do it in schools, movie theatres, shopping malls etc. :)
I guess that must be the difference between a third world country and the good old USA.

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longstock60, these "Flintstones" had an air force with F-14 Tomcats; pretty advanced for the time, and, in fact, they still have some that are operational - the only country left that still flies them.

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The check in terminals would have been provided by the airlines who manned them. They were common at this point, in most major airports.

As for Iran, Ross Perot's company had contracts with the Iranian government to provide computers and other electronic equipment. A small group of his people found themselves cut off in Iran, when things fell apart (not sure if this was during the revolution or the embassy siege). His company got them out, with the help of "Bull" Simmons, a retired Special Forces officer, who had planned and led the failed Son Tay prison raid, during the Vietnam War.

"Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!"

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He would have made a great president.

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Uh, no. Perot was a paranoid nutjob whose entire career was built around insider contacts, yet he tried to present himself as an outsider. When pressed about specific ideas to improve things, rather than just saying "it's all gridlock," he couldn't come up with a single thing. Personally, I have little respect for the guy, starting with using family political contacts to get himself out of his naval committment.

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That's why outside political parties can't break in: not enough people in the think tank to counter the Republican and Democratic machines that have a lot more experience in prepping their candidates. Think about it: since Nixon left office, the two presidents who ruled over the best times in this country were Reagan and Clinton. Does anybody really consider either of them a Rhodes Scholar? Smart men don't necessarily make good presidents. Hell, the two smartest presidents to a man during that time were Carter and George W. Bush. Not a lot of people want to see them try again, do they.

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OK, well at least I agree with you on this one.

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MurphAndTheMagicTones
» Fri Jul 26 2013 18:15:21
That's why outside political parties can't break in: not enough people in the think tank to counter the Republican and Democratic machines that have a lot more experience in prepping their candidates. Think about it: since Nixon left office, the two presidents who ruled over the best times in this country were Reagan and Clinton. Does anybody really consider either of them a Rhodes Scholar? Smart men don't necessarily make good presidents. Hell, the two smartest presidents to a man during that time were Carter and George W. Bush. Not a lot of people want to see them try again, do they.



I went and looked up "irony" in the dictionary, and your Rhodes Scholar line was in there.

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Ross Perot is "The Boss". He is now 83 years old and I heard he is still sharp as a tack.

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As others have said, the terminals (not PCs) connected to a mainframe somewhere would have been provided by the airline companies and would have been part of their global reservation network. It would have been in the Iranians interest to keep this technology going since major airlines would cease flying into Iran without it.

But in general prior to the revolution Iran had a highly educated class. While the country had the wide gap between the extremely rich and poor typical of third world countries, they also had a budding middle class. A lot of it was because of the oil industry and contact with the British and Americans, plus the revenue it generated even before they nationalized the oil industry. The Persian culture also has a long tradition of valuing education going back thousands of years.

There were, for example, many Iranian exchange students in the US at the time of the revolution. I knew a couple of them then, and they were quite smart and cosmopolitan and very proud of their long heritage.

It would be a mistake to write off the Iranians as a backwards culture. While the Iran government is very hostile to the US, as are some of the civilians, many Iranians living in the cities today are actually very interested in following all things American. Look at the Iranian Green revolt a few years ago.

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"Think about it: since Nixon left office, the two presidents who ruled over the best times in this country were Reagan and Clinton. Does anybody really consider either of them a Rhodes Scholar? "

I can barely even respond to this, I'm laughing so hard .......

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I was born in 93 so I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to the 80s, but all I know is that just because a regime is authoritarian doesn't mean they can't have decent technology, look at China these days.

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awe, sweet. You're not completely wrong - but the OP is referring to the likelihood of an American invention that had just become small enough and popular in America - to exist in Iran. I don't think it's a dumb question at all and a quick google search makes me think it wouldn't have happened before 1971 at the earliest - so OP is not far off and could even be right. (American Airlines was the first in 1964 with Delta, United and TWA following in 1968 and 1971 - and then other airlines followed). Maybe it'll end up in the goofs.

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Those were computer terminals - a monitor and a keyboard connected by a phone line to a computer somewhere else. Not at all uncommon for that time, they were an ancestor of the PC.

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My high school had computers in 1980. They were Radio Shack TR30s or something like that and used a cassette tape to record our programs. If a small high school in northern Illinois could muster the where with all to obtain computers for math class, it is quite conceivable that an airport requiring modern communications systems would have a computer.

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But would a multimillion dollar company like SwissAir have relied on such limited tech as existed at that time? Would software for airline booking have even existed then? More likely they would have used established tech like terminals, too much at stake to rely on what was at that time largely unproven equipment. Computers like those your school had wouldn't have been up to this kind of work.

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YES, SwissAir would have used computer technology to track airline reservations in 1980. All airlines did. Given the globally scattered nature of their business, they eagerly embraced anything that could streamline their operations. As other poster have said, they'd have been dedicated terminals connected to a mainframe at headquarters, not PCs working over the Internet like companies use today.

I never used an airline reservations system, but I remember using an online database system called Lexis Nexis during the '80s. Every time you wanted to use it you had to "dial in" on the little red Lexis terminal, wait for the connection and then do your search at the less-than-lightning speed of dialup. Was it cumbersome and frustrating? Sure. Signals often dropped out in mid-task, the mainframe crashed regularly, and "line noise" could corrupt your results into gibberish. But it still beat the hell out of trying to search a library of legal literature manually!

The same would be true of airlines and other businesses moving to computers in the '70s and '80s. They screwed up a lot, crashed a lot, and drove people nuts. But even so, they were a vast improvement on paper systems.

True story: I had an uncle back in this era (he worked as a programmer, ironically) who kept getting a bill from some company in the amount of $0.00. He kept calling the company but it didn't help, and finally he got a letter threatening legal action if he didn't pay. So he wrote them a check in the amount $0.00 and mailed it off. He got a letter back thanking him for payment.

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Just to lock in the time period about which we talking, the storming of the US Embassy on November 4, 1979 and the Swiss Air flight out of the country occurred on January 27, 1980 (12 weeks). In that time-frame the computer system at the ticket counter would have consisted of a terminal (that was little more than a monochrome screen and a keyboard) that was connected to a server (that was the size of a mid-sized Chevy) that would be downstairs or in the back room. That server was in turn connected (by satellite if overseas) to a mainframe (similar in size to a 3-bedroom house) located in a fly-over state in the US. This (along with training) would have been provided by the airline.

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Maybe u didn't notice,but inside the airport woman were veil-free,doesn't this induce you to some toughts?like that maybe airports are made the same in every place?

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I didn't find it unbelievable for them to have terminals, what I found unbelievable was for them to ok some ticket vouchers and them show up again on a second search a minute later. back then there was no centralized internet and everything was done via phone modem.

I used to run a BBS waaay back when, and just connecting via phone modem and exchanging info packets with systems we networked with could take 10-15 minutes and that was in the same city for just a few messages back and forth.

that's assuming it was successful on the first try.

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I didn't find it unbelievable for them to have terminals, what I found unbelievable was for them to ok some ticket vouchers and them show up again on a second search a minute later. back then there was no centralized internet and everything was done via phone modem.

The terminal is simply displaying output from a program running on a remote host. Swissair's host computer in this case would be a mainframe class computer. Given that, I see nothing unrealistic about what the airline agent did, nor the results of either the first or second query. If the ticket information had not been populated into the database on the host when the query was initiated by the agent, then the response on the terminal would indicate that there is no reservation. The first time a query is initiated after the database is populated, the ticket and reservation information would be displayed on the terminal screen. This is similar in principle to clicking "refresh" using a web browser to view the most up-to-the-second information like live sports scores, election returns, etc. (In recent years, the wide adoption of web standards like AJAX has largely reduced the necessity to click refresh repeatedly).

I used to run a BBS waaay back when, and just connecting via phone modem and exchanging info packets with systems we networked with could take 10-15 minutes and that was in the same city for just a few messages back and forth.

that's assuming it was successful on the first try.

It sounds like you are trying to equate or compare terminal remote host user operations with remote file transfer operations. Since you were a BBS sysop, you'll remember that users could interact directly with your system by reading, posting or responding to email from other users, reading/posting on SIGs (Special Interest Groups) message boards, or browsing your "Files" section. This all occurred at a connection speed (i.e. 1200 bps, 2400 bps, 9600 bps, etc) supported by and agreed upon by both modems. Essentially, this was a character-based exchange of information and commands. This call and response type of computing is part of the concept called transactions processing. That is effectively what most centralized hosts connected to dumb serial terminals did. The Swissair ticket counter terminal was just a dumb serial terminal connected to a remote centralized host.

The long waiting game you described occurred when a user or another BBS downloaded or uploaded files. You'll remember that a file-transfer protocol (i.e. Xmodem, Ymodem, Zmodem, Kermit, etc.) was used to accomplish this. Generally speaking, dumb serial character terminals like the one at the Swissair ticket counter were incapable of file transfers for obvious reasons, so slow binary file transfers to/from a BBS, has little in common with the character terminal query scene at the airport in Argo.

Let's say you had a multiline (or a multinode) BBS. (I know most BBSes in the 1980s and early 1990s were single-line, allowing only one connection at a time, but I am pretty sure that you are familiar with BBSes that were capable of concurrent connections). User A dials in and he checks to see if he has any email at 1:00:16pm. The BBS responds that there is no new email for User A. User B dials in and she composes an email addressed to User A and sends it at 1:00:26pm. User A checks for mail again at 1:00:36pm. The BBS responds by indicating that User A now has new mail. After the BBS program assigns the email message to User A's mailbox, any mail query by User A will receive a response indicating that he has a new email message waiting to be read. This concept is similar to what happened in Argo. Once the airline tickets are paid for and the reservation process is completed and the host database is updated accordingly, any query from any connected terminal would receive a response showing the reservation and ticket information. So, the scene is not really that unrealistic in terms of identical queries yielding different results from a centralized host system, even when the queries are submitted mere seconds apart.


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I remember the Commodore 64 and setting baud rates with a friend down the street just to send text - a real pain !! The message would start to come through and suddenly turn into gibberish. But at the time, we thought we were on the cutting edge. Then came BASIC etc
LOL !! Never envisioned the 'internet' as we now know it. Amazing times ...

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Everything wasn't done by phone modem then. Airlines, banks, government had high speed dedicated lines. Phone modems were used by consumers sharing data and voice on the same analog line.



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