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complainers, this movie is not about Steve or Jenny...


Clever storytelling and that final sequence brings it full circle. This film is a social commentary on the importance of parenting, and the state of youth violence in the UK, and other parts of the modern world.

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It only dawned on me when the camera panned away from Jenny, as she was dragged into the bathroom. this is the last we saw of her, we are not even rewarded by the resolution of her ordeal, even though she is the character we have followed from the onset of the movie.

But instead, the shot went to the main delinquent. how he examined his wounds, deleted evidence and preened in front of the mirror, in full knowledge of what he had been allowed to get away with.

I say "allowed" because in this case, it is the parents & community that has failed him & the other youths. When Jenny stumbled into their backyard, it was during a party. Yes, the parents were having a backyard pool party (with sex and alcohol) while their kids were out hunting & murdering people.

While I do not agree on the portrayal of small town folk as protecting their own, there is some truths to cliches. And in small provincial towns, even the police might be biased to cover for the people within their community, no matter how heinous the act. There are also numerous cases in UK and US of peer and juvenile crimes, that mirrored the acts seen.

So while the premise is a bit nonsensical, and the sequence of events questionable, the acts and level of violence is rooted in real world cases (http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725547,00.html). This link describes one of the lesser violent crimes.

So those complaining that this wasn't a good horror film, or it was a bit lame, i think you have either been severely desensitized or simply unable to detect the sly sleight of hand at the closing of the movie.

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Ok so i agree with what you said, but you don't think steve or jenny had anything to do with it? I mean, they were both kind of entitled a-holes and could've handled themselves differently. I mean, if i go to a beach somewhere and kids are playing loud music, i would just relocate. If someone killed my dog, accidental or not...im not saying id burn them alive but we'd definitely have a problem.

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They definitely had something to contribute, but their actions did not go over into criminal intent, outside of Steve entering that house partly out of curiosity & "bad horror-movie decisions". The way they acted in the first act of the film is within the realm of normal behaviour. The second & third act is where it entered horror-movie territory. Regardless, Steve definitely had an ego problem though.

Those kids may be kids, boisterous and out of control, but they were also old enough to know what is right/wrong and what lines not to cross. Throughout the film, you can also see the cronies slowly realising this, and wanting out. The bad seed forced them, and purposefully implicated them in the crimes, fully knowing what he was doing. He was fully aware at all times, what he was executing.

This film forces you to dissect what kind of environment would formulate such a reasoning and choice of action in a child/youth. So in this regard, the issue goes back to the parents. The scene in the diner is also telling. When told that the town kids busted his tyre, the waitress went into defensive mode immediately, saying, "Not my kids. Not. My. Kids".

There is a deep denial, due to feelings of oppressions due to class issues, amongst other things.

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but you don't think steve or jenny had anything to do with it?
Bafflingly dumb statement. I mean, isn't this victim-blaming at its finest?

I mean, they were both kind of entitled a-holes and could've handled themselves differently
Entitled? They didn't want their weekend ruined by *beep* Seriously, how you could have anything against them is insane.

if i go to a beach somewhere and kids are playing loud music, i would just relocate.
So you think the kids would have stopped screwing with them if they moved? Well that's contradicted in the film, cause they would have just stolen the car anyway and found them at a different spot at the lake. Seriously, it's daft what you're saying.

If someone killed my dog, accidental or not..
1st, fassbender was only in that position because the kids stole his car and ALMOST KILLED HIM! 2nd, It was clearly not just an accident, but MOSTLY caused by the teens.

.im not saying id burn them alive but we'd definitely have a problem.
Well siding with the sociopathic delinquents.... genius!


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Your opinions seem pretty black and white to me. Goodies vs. baddies, right?

I can appreciate that you have different opinions than my own, but it's really narrow-minded to say my comments are daft/insane just because you don't agree.

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but it's really narrow-minded to say my comments are daft/insane just because you don't agree.
I'm not calling them Daft or insane because I disagree, I'm calling them insane because you are misrepresenting what happened in the film and implying that these characters were in the wrong and deserving of the torture and pain they went through. It's pretty morally bankrupt.

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I didn't misrepresent anything, i just viewed it differently than you. Of course i don't think they, or anyone, deserves to be tortured.

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You do realize they:

A) STOLE HIS CAR...
And
B) PULLED A KNIFE ON HIM?


Sorry bud. In the real world... The dog is the last thing you would need to be worrying about. Personally, I would've gone medieval on their asses... As should anyone in this situation. Fassbender could kill them and claim self defense- because it was. A group of kids harassed him and his wife- stole their car- and now surround them- pull a knife out and lunge towards him. He tried to get the knife away and it ended up stabbing the dog.

I wouldn't even have said sorry. I don't think I'd kill any of them but I would beat their asses and call the cops.

The only thing dumb about the two main characters is they never called the cops.

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Clever storytelling and that final sequence brings it full circle. This film is a social commentary on the importance of parenting, and the state of youth violence in the UK, and other parts of the modern world.


You know the difference between your argument and all the people criticizing the film on this board?

Yours actually sounds intelligent. Like you've actually thought about it.

Everyone else is saying the same crap about it all being oh so horrible with the characters doing stupid things. As if they'd be able to keep a perfectly clear head in such a frantic, terrifying situation and do exactly the right thing to render everything hunky dory.

But what I suspect one of the main issues is, is that most people on this board are American. And Americans have absolutely no idea about chav culture. It's a very British thing. They don't realise how completely unpredictable, unreasonable and animalistic chavs can be. And that these people actually exist in this country. So it doesn't really scare them in the same way. They don't get it.

Using chavs as the 'monsters' of this horror film was a masterstroke because we identify with this fear in the UK. We encounter them daily. And the film is about the clash of cultures.

I mean, if i go to a beach somewhere and kids are playing loud music, i would just relocate.


This qoute I think is a perfect example of how they just can't identify. If the couple had moved, that could have goaded the chavs into screwing with them more. There is no sensible reaction.

It's this the film captured so well, as well as the fact that it is absolutely unrelenting without being afraid of being downright nasty, dirty and raw. All the things this sort of horror film needs to be, rather than all the sanitized CGI drivel so many people are used to these days. I guess it's no wonder so many people find it repulsive.

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Hey there, thanks for your reply.

Actually "chav" was a word I was trying my best not to use (haha!), but having lived/studied in an English town 1 hr outside of London, there were moments where these small gangs gave us a bit to worry about. They hang out in packs, just like in the film and while some are of school-going age, they seem to be hanging out with older youths as well. Our student housing compound is fenced, with a security guardpost every mile or so. I wondered if it was excessive until we heard some houses were broken into, or used as a party/binge drinking space. There were about 2 cases of rape, committed by non-students as well.

I suppose the locals were not open to the idea that their town's university had attracted so many people and diversity. So that definitely put a separation between the locals and the students/faculty members. I recall an incident where we were told by a mother (with 2 small kids) to "Go home, foreigners!" on the way to the supermarket. The kids (prob age 7 to 10) stuck out their tongues, gave middle fingers.

It rings so true that when watching this film, it gave me chills. I believe it all simmers under a thin skin of civility, and just out of instinct, i remember very clearly to always be extra polite and never speak in our mother language, for fear of upsetting someone unintentionally.

This was around 2009-2010, so not sure if things have improved since then!

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Actually "chav" was a word I was trying my best not to use (haha!),


Haha, sorry, dude. Well, it's out now.

I suppose the locals were not open to the idea that their town's university had attracted so many people and diversity. So that definitely put a separation between the locals and the students/faculty members. I recall an incident where we were told by a mother (with 2 small kids) to "Go home, foreigners!" on the way to the supermarket. The kids (prob age 7 to 10) stuck out their tongues, gave middle fingers.


That's terrible. I'm ashamed of my country sometimes.

It all stems from upbringing and peer pressure. That kind of hate and prejudice is all they know. And they genuinely believe everyone else thinks exactly the same as them and acts exactly the same. They don't understand that most other people think and act logically and civilly. Which is why in the film they get so aggressive. They don't understand why the couple are speaking and acting in a totally different way to them. And the only one of the gang that wants to kill the couple peer pressures the others into it.

There were a lot of other films at the time that dealt with exactly the same scenario such as 'Them' and 'The Strangers'. But Eden Lake was the only one that got to me because I immediately recognized it. It's fear was real. And I think that's what makes the best horrors.

It rings so true that when watching this film, it gave me chills. I believe it all simmers under a thin skin of civility, and just out of instinct,


Yeah, which is why I don't think you can really get this film unless you have experienced it. And yeah, it's instinct because it's all they see and hear from the moment they are born. They also do it because they don't want to look bad in front of their friends, who would probably beat them up if they didn't.

i remember very clearly to always be extra polite and never speak in our mother language, for fear of upsetting someone unintentionally.


It really sucks that you should have to act that way.

This was around 2009-2010, so not sure if things have improved since then!


Alas, it's unlikely. After the whole Brexit crap hate crime has gone up a fair bit. Or so I hear.



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