Question about female Dren
Was Dren as a female unable to become pregnant? I was wondering because she did have unprotected sex with Clive in the barn. If she is not able to become pregnant, why?
shareThat's an excellent question. I've always wondered about that. I'm one of the people who has a feeling that she might've possibly gotten pregnant after being with Clive. I guess it's the way her DNA is constructed, which consists of human and various animal DNA, that made her change into a male before her and Clive's baby could've developed.
Plus, maybe the filmmakers thought that it was probably too cliche to make her become pregnant. But, it would've been interesting to see what her and Clive's baby would've looked and been like.
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It's kind of unclear by the way they, him especially, were acting and the movements. Because they looked like they were already cumming by the time she walked in.
Btw, I think you're right about what the genders are of any of their babies. Dren and Clive's baby being a girl, and Elsa and Dren's a boy sounds very plausible. And I can imagine that Dren and Clive's child would look like her when she was a child, only she would have slightly more human DNA in her than her mother which means that she has both Elsa's(since Dren is basically a clone of Elsa) and Clive's DNA as well as various animal DNA.
"It's kind of unclear by the way they, him especially, were acting and the movements. Because they looked like they were already cumming by the time she walked in."
Its a movie. If its important that he ejaculates then the rules of good filmmaking dictate you would emphasize this enough that its unequivocal. If its not then you don't.
Usually if there is going to be an ejaculation you'd see something like a fever pitch build to a crescendo that includes arched backs, close ups, muscle tension, a notable moan thats above the others, then a collapse as the tension is released, panting, shot of a sweaty back, and a complete cessation of all sexual gyrations.
If he ejaculated and it mattered to the film and this wasn't obvious then the director is worse than this film makes him out to be, and this film does him no favours I might add.
Um, yeah! Of course it's a movie, detroit-velvet-smooth.
I was only saying how in this particular scene, it looked as if Clive and Dren reached their sexual climax by orgasming and in his case, ejaculating, when Elsa walked in on them. I didn't say anything about him ejaculating would've mattered to the film and the director doing a terrible job. It does not dictate good filmmaking. It's the story and direction. I emphasized what I thought happened during the scene and was sharing the subject on this thread when it was brought up. I was giving my opinion. Geez!
In movies where sex scenes are present, we often don't actually see the characters cumming but sometimes we can tell by their moans and movements. I understand with some of the things you mentioned that would show that people making love would experience things like moaning, panting, muscle tension, arching and profuse sweating. But even if they don't experience most of those during sex, that doesn't mean they probably didn't eventually climax. It depends on how they are doing it, their pace and how their bodies react. That was what I was getting at concerning the Clive/Dren sex scene.
Btw, if you notice, there were close ups of Clive and Dren, their moans were getting a little louder towards the end of the scene and he did kinda arched his back.
But, it would've been interesting to see what her and Clive's baby would've looked and been like.
....dayum, dat nose though... share
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I may have missed this on another thread but here is my question.
Fact: Clive and Dren have sex. Unknown: Did Clive ejaculate?
Fact: Dren becomes ill and “dies": Unknown: Cause of death because no
autopsy was done?
Fact: Elsa is raped. Unknown: Did she get raped by the
male Dren who now "talks" or the son
Dren who aged quickly?
Fact Elsa is pregnant. Unknown:Is the father Clive, male Dren,
or the Son of Dren?
1. I think Clive most likely ejaculated into Dren just when Elsa walked in on them. Who knows how long they've been having sex in the barn? Even though the scene was like a minute and a half, it sort of looked like a couple of minutes had went by for him to eventually acheive an orgasm and ejaculate.
2. The reason Dren became ill and "died" is because her genes, due to some being mixed with various animal DNA, was in the process of changing her gender into a male.
3. Elsa was raped by the more aggressive and animalistic male Dren because of strong animal instincts from the mixed genes and possibly getting revenge for how Elsa mistreated her/him. Also, this is probably meant to show the contrast between female Dren's scene with Clive which represented human sexuality which is one of the things humans, for the most part, do in terms of emotions and bonding;and male Dren's scene with Elsa which represented animal sexuality which has more to do with breeding and in most cases, it's more of a job for nature's sake than feelings.
4. There are still some debates on whether Elsa's pregnancy is the result of her sexual encounter with Clive or her rape by the male Dren. Some say it's kind of implied that the baby is most likely male Dren's due to the aftermath.
There are still some debates on whether Elsa's pregnancy is the result of her sexual encounter with Clive or her rape by the male Dren. Some say it's kind of implied that the baby is most likely male Dren's due to the aftermath.
What debates? It is clear that it is male Dren's baby...In the last scene she is talking with one of the owners (or whatever) of the research company about the baby...Naturally they would have done tests (Ultrasound, Amniocentesis, etc.) to determine the form, sex and DNA of the fetus.....They are a major scientific research company....The things that the other woman is saying in my opinion they are talking about an alien fetus NOT a regular human fetus.... share
There have been people here discussing on whether or not that Elsa's baby is fathered by Clive or male Dren. But you're right. It's got to be male Dren's baby.
shareAlien?
Wrong movie. This was genetic modification.
Also, I'd like to say that the debate above about the gender of the baby is some of the stupidest stuff I've ever seen on the internet.
#1 - totally immaterial what moviegoers might thing about the gender of the baby...
#2 - Given the life cycle of these creatures, male/female is not fixed. In amphibians who change gender, it's usually a response to the makeup of the community. Largely a random selection, then if there aren't many of one gender, some of them spontaneously change. They don't have to die to effect the change either.
I thought this movie was cool! But,the writing could have been better!I'm not a scienctist but, They should have had Dren get pregnant by Clive!! I think being pregnant would have kept her female.Having Elsa pregnant was a bad idea because Dren is partially her dna??? Could have open the story.....
shareAgree 100%
shareActually, this concept is somewhat interesting if you look at the possible genetic sources.
Frogs: This is well-known because of Jurassic Park, so what would happen here is the disintegration of the female organs, which - given the time frame - would have included a *very* early term fertilized egg.
Snails and Earthworms are excluded since they are full time hermaphrodites.
Fish: There are several types of fish that have sequential gender switching, and apparently most of these are female to male. That means that just like humans get puberty to change from child to adult, it would be like hitting the age of 35 or something and suddenly changing from male to female in a second "puberty". We think it's odd, but I guarantee you that the fish who live like this do not.
(Probably the most amusing side-note here is that Clown Fish typically take a turn as a female when the female dies, which means that if we were to believe the basic premise of Finding Nemo and the idea that Nemo's Dad is the dominant male in his group, he pretty quickly would have become Nemo's Mom... now *that* would have made an interesting ending)
However, both Fish and Frogs are egg-layers, not egg-carryers, so we can only assume that any sort of fertilized embryo would have been flushed in the process of gender switch, in a manner probably quite similar to menstruation.
OR that the insemination would have prevented a gender change, but for me, that's unlikely.
The movie suggests that the gender change was either time based or hormone based, and both of these would suggest that the embryo and egg production organs would have been tossed.
I'll admit though that the story would have ended better if the sex-change hadn't been realized quite so quickly in terms of story time, but the movie would have sprawled too much if they had gone that route. A better overall ending for me would have been if the sex change hadn't happened at all (maybe happening slowly in a sequel). And I agree that the story would have been more interesting if there had been a pregnancy in Dren.