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No more serious adult white male Marvel heroes left.


Iron Man - dead
Captain America - aged over 100 and passed his shield to a black replacement
Thor - drunken fat slob video gamer replaced by a tiny woman
Hulk - metrosexual embarrassed by his violent past
Dr. Strange - ambiguously gay
Spider Man - immature teenaged boy
Ant Man - played as a bumbling doofus
Star Lord - a case of arrested development. A 12 year old in a 40 year old body

...and now Hawkeye, replaced by a young girl.

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Wait, how is Strange ambiguously gay? We know of at least one woman he had sexual history with.

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Come on, the guy lives with a fat middle aged male companion in New York City in a mansion full of antiques. He hangs out with a gender-fluid person and wears a swishy cape. The woman was obviously a 'beard'.

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Gender-fluid? No such thing.

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OP's cracked.

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How serious adult white male heroes do you need? Captain Underpants is ready for the call of duty.

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Thanks. I'd forgotten Captain Underpants. I guess that just shoots down all my worries.

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Marvel's Phase 4:
May 1, 2020: Black Widow
Fall 2020: The Falcon and Winter Soldier
Nov. 6, 2020: The Eternals movie
Feb. 12, 2021: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Spring 2021: WandaVision Disney Plus series
May 7, 2021: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Spring 2021: Loki Disney Plus series
Summer 2021: What If...?
Fall 2021: Hawkeye
Nov. 5, 2021: Thor 4: Love and Thunder

Looks like a wide range of offerings, with something for everybody. Serious, adult, funny, adolescent, Black, White, Asian, Hero, Antihero, Male, Female. . .

If anyone is triggered, that speaks more to a personal problem than anything else.

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Marvel's Phase 4:
May 1, 2020: Black Widow - Female protag.
Fall 2020: The Falcon and Winter Soldier - Black male hero, Winter Soldier is likely the second banana
Nov. 6, 2020: The Eternals movie - looks to have one token white male
Feb. 12, 2021: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - Asian hero
Spring 2021: WandaVision Disney Plus series - sounds like it's about a girl
May 7, 2021: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - ambiguously gay hero
Spring 2021: Loki Disney Plus series - another ambiguously gay hero
Summer 2021: What If...? - no idea
Fall 2021: Hawkeye - Hawkeye passes the torch to a girl
Nov. 5, 2021: Thor 4: Love and Thunder - - Tiny woman Thor

You were saying...?

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"Fall 2020: The Falcon and Winter Soldier - Black male hero, Winter Soldier is likely the second banana"
Your assumption
"Nov. 6, 2020: The Eternals movie - looks to have one token white male"
Your assumption
"Spring 2021: WandaVision Disney Plus series - sounds like it's about a girl"
It's about Wanda and the Vision.
"May 7, 2021: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - ambiguously gay hero"
Your ridiculous, completely absurd assertion, to try and make your point somehow valid
"Spring 2021: Loki Disney Plus series - another ambiguously gay hero"
ibid
"Summer 2021: What If...? - no idea"
An anthology series, exploring the multiverse. By definition will cover a wide range of people/places/scenarios, so clearly not your cup of tea
"Nov. 5, 2021: Thor 4: Love and Thunder - - Tiny woman Thor"
Incorrect. Thor is a Person, not a title. You're confused. Additionally, you're assuming what the storyline will be, because (surprise, surprise) you already have your mind made up.

Ah well.

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Nov. 5, 2021: Thor 4: Love and Thunder - - Tiny woman Thor


lol

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Have you checked your own list? Hawkeye and Thor are passing the lead to female characters. The only white male leads remaining there are Dr.Strange and Loki, and Loki is more of a comic relief villain. Once Dr.Strange is blackwashed or femwashed, there will be no more white male leads in Marvel Movies anymore, a franchise that was created, developed and built by white males.

Not to say you're forgetting Blade and Black Panther 2 with, again, black male leads.

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I have; I'm cautiously optimistic. Unlike many, I don't check the boxes to see which race/gender/orientation is being represented. If it hadn't been pointed out, I'dve never noticed.

That said, you're dismissing Loki and (jokingly?) assuming big changes for Strange, mistakenly assuming Thor won't be himself, and assuming Kate's introduction means Clint won't be involved. All wrong. Plus the Winter Soldier is as much a lead as Falcon.

Yeah, Blade and Black Panther are on the horizon. Not excited about Blade; looking forward to Panther.

Yes, the franchise was created by white males. So? Should they only ever create white male characters? Should there be some quota? Not sure what your point is, but the statement sounds skeevy.

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• «mistakenly assuming Thor won't be himself»

Disney has already announced that the Hammer will be passed to a woman, and she'll be the new God(dess) of Thunder.

• «dismissing Loki»

Nope. Just pointing out that he's a kind of comic relief. With the exception of Dr.Strange, white male leads in Marvel are reduced to laugh material (Thor, Loki, Starlord). And as the OP mentioned, Dr.Strange could be filling the gay quota. ("the guy lives with a fat middle aged male companion in New York City in a mansion full of antiques. He hangs out with a gender-fluid person and wears a swishy cape")

• «assuming Kate's introduction means Clint won't be involved»

I'm not saying he won't be involved. Maybe he will, but the lead will be female. Best scenario, he will be just a secondary character.

• «Plus the Winter Soldier is as much a lead as Falcon»

Winter Soldier has never been a lead. He has been always a secondary character. Now Falcon is taking over Captain America, Winter Soldier will be the secondary behind Falcon as he was the secondary behind Steve Rogers before.

• «Not excited about Blade; looking forward to Panther»

To be honest, Blade is the only project in Marvel that I'm interested right now, Blade, Batman and Hellboy are my favorite franchises in the superhero genre. I hope they won't screw it with too much politics. Probably they will. Whatever.

• «Yes, the franchise was created by white males. So? Should they only ever create white male characters?»

Nope. But we have reached a situation where white male leads are blackwashed, femwashed or reduced to laugh material. Modern western white males must be the first group in History to organize a society based in racial casts... and then putting themselves as the low cast. It's just stupid. And suicidal.

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Ehhh. . .

Jane as "female Thor" does NOT mean Thor is no longer Thor. This is what I was trying (badly) to say. His character, even as altered as he was in Endgame, is still "Thor," and still immensely powerful.

Loki is not and never has been "reduced to laugh material." This is inarguable. . .the fact that there is comic relief added to SOME of his scenes does not detract from his standing. Or popularity, as far as that goes (it's why he's getting his own vehicle). To say there are no white male leads, and then parse the reasons why there actually Are, is disingenuous at best.

Saying Dr Strange is filling some imaginary gay quota is so absurd it's difficult to even speak to. It's a ridiculous claim on its face; nothing in the movies, the character's history, or statements by anyone involved even Slightly suggests it. The description you quote which tries to justify this position mirrors the equally absurd claims Wertham made, when claiming Batman and Robin represented a homosexual male fantasy. No. Just. . .No. Bottom line: he represents an inarguable straight white male lead, and this outlandish claim is clearly a desperate attempt to deny that fact.

The Falcon has never been a lead either. We'll have to wait and see who gets "lead" status; but one thing is for sure: Winter Soldier reps just fine for all the straight white males who feel disenfranchised. Again, glossing over this fact smacks of an attempt to sidle by a clear and basic truth.

I Love just about everything Mahershala Ali has done, but just can't see him as Blade. Maybe he'll surprise me; we'll see. Panther, on the other hand, was such a pleasant surprise that I'm Really looking forward to what they do next.

White male leads are doing just fine. Both those I've mentioned as well as a plethora of others demonstrate that conclusively. In the cases where there's been an overt attempt to add diversity, that has in no way "diminished" the originals. It simply hasn't.

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Kuku and his ilk are just butthurt that they have to see minorities and women in lead roles. ;)

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That is an awful lineup. Marvel is done.

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WE SHALL SEE.🙂

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LOL. . .place your bets now. When Marvel wins HUGELY, let's come back to this thread and see what the fumbling justifications are.

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Only serious people of color allowed. Get with the times bro, whites are of the past, time to step aside and let the invasion commence with the slow replacement. It's not considered a replacement once you're neutered though.

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👌🏻

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Is there something wrong with being gay?

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They're taking over, man!!!! It's a conspiracy!!!! That's how it starts!!!! Next thing you'll be on your knees with balls on your chin!!!!

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The greater majority of little boys don't want a gay role model.

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Disney's just doing what they do best now, buying IP made successful by talented people and selling it to a broader audience. I doubt they see gender or color as much as just dollar signs.

But personally I do find the situation frustrating. I'd have no problem with adding demographic representation in entertainment -- everyone needs role models -- but it seems to play out otherwise. "Diversity" ends up translating to "replacement", and the MCU's become another case in point.

No (clearly identifiable) straight white male heroes left that aren't clowns. Spider-man could be an exception; the movies suggest him becoming the new "Iron Man" but I wonder if Marvel will let him evolve beyond an insecure teenager. Barring that, though, the "trolls" have a point. "Diversity" has once again been realized as "kick out the original demographic".

My straight, white nephews still deserve role models, too, even if some think that the demographic having majority representation in the past is somehow a problem. For now, though, it's tough finding movies to take them to, with Disney having such monopoly power in the industry.

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You still have The Walking Dead. OH W A I T

LOL

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I see what you mean to some degree, but "passing the torch" can be an exciting moment in a story.

And I don't think you can write off Dr. Strange like that.

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where are the shemales?

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Don't ask me; find a dating app that has that check-box.

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