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EPISODE 7 (the SEASON/SERIES FINALE)


So what do you think will happen now that we know who killed ERIN???

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We don't know who killed Erin. But it wasn't Billy. Billy has been covering for John for a long, long time. Either John killed her or needs her death to stay quiet for a much darker reason.

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Have you seen Ep. 6 yet? Why would Billy LIE to JOHN saying that he'd killed Erin if he didn't??? And why would their father have seen Billy with BLOOD all over his clothes the night Erin died???

The problem with the JOHN theory is he didn't react at all to the news of Erin's death. Remember how Mare asked him and Billy to help break the news of Erin's death to her father??? John had no reaction to the news, whereas later on Billy freaked out and left Mare's hous without drinking his beer (after MARE was asking him questions about when ERIN had lived at his place).

But John was also acting ODD when he suggested that they go FISHING, and Billy also seems to SENSE it. So you're right about how something's up, and whatever happens is probably also going to end with the DEATH of JOHN (because in the PREVIEW CLIP we also see his wife LORI hanging her head as if MARE comes to tell her that JOHN is dead).

And that's probably because Billy kills him for some reason (which may also be because John tries to kill Billy -- because he doesn't want him CONFESSNG to the COPS about his INCEST with Erin -- which John probably feels would disgrace the family).

So Billy may also end up killing JOHN in SELF DEFENSE with Mare also being a WITNESS to it.

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Maybe you're right. Because This article also seems to think so:

https://www.tvfanatic.com/2021/05/mare-of-easttown-season-1-episode-6-review-sore-must-be-the-stor/

If Billy has been forthcoming and is ready to confess, why is he hiding a gun from John? And what did the photo Jess took from Erin's journal have to do with anything?

Chief Carter wanted to urgently reach Mare, who was on her way to the cabin as if he wanted to warn her of something.

Dylan's actions aren't those of an innocent man. But if Billy killed Erin, what does Dylan have to hide? Why is he tied to Jess? Who are the "three" of them? Did he mean his friend, himself, and Jess, or did he mean Dylan, Jess, and Erin?

A gun to her face didn't silence Jess. It inspired her to get help. She could have cowered in fear, but she did the right thing. Good on her.

Either Billy isn't the killer and is confessing to avoid an entirely different family incident, or whatever Jess uncovered adds another new layer to the crime in Easttown and how screwed up the youth who live there have turned out to be.

Maybe it's a bit of both.





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The fact that John didn't react only makes him seem like he wasn't surprised, like Erin's death was something he already knew. Why was Kenny so violent with John at hearing the news, saying "get the f away from me," etc. He didn't react in Billy's direction but in John's.
I can't figure out what could possibly be in Jess' photo that would prove who killed Erin. Or wht Dylan would be in any danger if anyone saw what Erin was hiding. Why would he care?
I question Kevin's suicide. No one saw him do it. I wonder if he was silenced.
If he did kill himself, I bet there is a suicide note somewhere. In any case. I believe Kevin holds the key to everything that's going on. This is the theme of the show, that Mare cannot go forward without confronting Kevin's death head-on. I think there is more to this theme than grief counseling.
No one has been in the attic since Kevin was found dead. If Mare confronts her grief and ventures up to the attic to face her pain, perhaps Kevin left something up there (his own journal, a photo, a suicide note, etc.) that will tie it all together. He has clearly been trying to tell Mare something...or her repressed subconscious has...throughout the show. Kevin, imo, holds the key.
The last part of Siobhan's docu video right before she gets wasted and upset...is Kevin holding a guitar and saying "this is for the first girl who broke my heart." Who would that girl be? Erin???
Were Dylan, Jess and the other kid all molested (by John?) and pushed into prostitution? Were Katie and the other girls too, and just happened that 3 of them were abducted by the attic guy in the process? Was John, or someone else, a pimp of teenagers and killed Erin for keeping money from him?
I still think Ryan knows about more than an affair. I think Lori might too.
One thing of note is that Moira has red hair. And so does DJ. Leads me to think John is DJ's father. But part of me still thinks Kevin was.
Maybe John had to kill Kevin for finding out something from Erin?

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EXCELLENT OBSERVATIONS and QUESTIONS!!!

My questions is HOW could DYLAN get BILLY to CONFESS to killing Erin if he didn't???

What could Dylan have on Billy that he'd be willing to say he killed Erin rather than risk whatever it is that DYLAN would threaten to say if Billy didn't CONFESS???

Could the photo that Jess gave the CHIEF be Erin with KEVIN???

I'm still hoping her son turns out to be MARE's grandson. Otherwise the poor kid probably has no home now. And IF Erin's son is her grandchild, then that could also soften the blow a bit of having Drew living with his mom instead of with Mare.

And Mare would also know that no one else is going to SUE her for CUSTODY of Erin's son.

The idea that Kevin might have left a note or some journals behind up in the attic is also an interesting possibility. Could he also have some LOVE LETTERS Erin wrote to him hidden up there???

And the fact that Kevin didn't hang himself is also intriguing. Since they also moved Erin's body to another different place, maybe Kevin also died elsewhere and then his body was moved up to MARE's attic to make it look like a suicide??

An autopsy should probably also have figured that out, but maybe not if the person doing them is being paid to Lie about what happened??

Could Billy have been jealous of Erin seeing someone else and killed KEVIN for that reason??? Maybe choked him to death then made it look like he hanged himself?

If DYLAN knows that, maybe that's how DYLAN gets him to confess to killing Erin if he didn't???

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kevin was drugged up before he died. i doubt he knew anything.

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Which scene/episode indicates he was drugged before he died???

Can't recall anyone saying anything about the details of his death, or what was found in his system (after MARE says she cut him down and we see those FLASHBACK scenes of her finding him after her daughter first found him).

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there's a scene where he is fighting with his mother over money for drugs.

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Oh ok.

So you think that scene takes place right before he dies???

Maybe so ...

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i don't know. there has been no hint of a connection between kevin and erin. that would come out of no where.

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Remember that scene where Mare sees the GHOST of KEVIN after she wakes up when she's in bed with her grandson Drew?

Kevin's hair color is the same as that of Erin's infant.

And Kevin's face is also very much like the face of Erin's baby (which you see when Dylan holds it on his lap in the hospital after he's been shot by Erin's father).

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I still think it's John. He was having sex with Erin.

1. Note the receipt for the necklace only said "Ross" with no first name.
2. Billy reacts real weird to John moving in - as if John wasn't accepting responsibility for anything.
3. Just because Billy saw the gun doesn't mean it's his - in fact he reacts surprised when he sees it. I think John put it in there with the idea he would murder Billy up at the lake to shut him up for good. Watch the scene again and you'll see. At the cabin John asks for the tackle box and Billy says he has it. John doesn't like that.
4. After Mare calls the police and tells him Billy did it he sees what is in the diary and immediately tries to call Mare. The note probably indicates it's not Billy and he is desperate for her to know that.
5. John is acting real suspicious the entire episode. He clearly is hiding something.

Billy had a drinking problem - he might have been blacked out and John is trying to convince him he did it. Remember he keeps trying to 'convince' Billy to say it out loud. John tells his wife Billy confessed, everyone is looking at Billy, John kills Billy up at the cabin and makes it seem like suicide or self-defense, and the case is over.

For the life of me I can't figure out Kevin's involvement. What is he hiding?

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Ok. You've definitely convinced me now that you're right about John.

Because This list is absolutely BRILLIANT !!!

But IF you're right, that would also mean Lori is married to the worse kind of a PSYCHOPATH imaginable as well. Not only would he be a SERIAL CHEATER, but a SERIAL KILLER who was willing to blame his own brother for the murder of someone else???!!!

There's just no other way to describe someone who would be that EVIL !!! But unfortunately it does make sense now that you've pointed it out. Because you can also SENSE that's what BILLY suspects is the reason why John told Billy they'd go FISHING one last time.

And IF he's the one who buys that NECKLACE, then it may also mean JOHN killed KEVIN over his JEALOUSY that KEVIN was seeing Erin, and then made it look like a SUICIDE (which could also explain why Erin's BODY got moved to that other location). Because JOHN may also already have killed 2 people and made it look like someone else did it before he tries doing the same thing again with BILLY.

But how does DYLAN fit in to all of this??? Because DYLAN is also a PSYCHOPATH to have put that GUN into the face of JESS and threatened to KILL her after also BURNING UP Erin's JOURNALS and also taking the money for her son's EAR SURGERY.

So what's HIS connection to all of this if JOHN's the KILLER???

Surely Dylan's purpose hasn't just been to DIVERT our attention's away from JOHN this whole time???








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I was thinking re Kevin possibly not dying by suicide...that an addict could easily be overdosed and then hanged...and no one would think twice about the drugs being shown to be in their system at autopsy. Mare said "a neighbor" called telling her Kevin was seen around their home...but who was this neighbor? Mrs. Carroll? Maybe that is what started Betty on her hypervigilant watch for prowlers. Or maybe the neighbor was part of a murder of Kevin plot, and played a part of the staged suicide scenario, calling to get the body found.
I think Billy has been a fall guy for John his entire life. He said that someone needs to hold John accountable for once. He may even have been a victim of incestuous abuse by John, as I still believe Ryan is. There is a very dark secret in the Ross family, and I believe Lori agreed to misdirect Mare after Billy on purpose, "to protect the family," just as Jess has, up to now, been taking orders from Dylan on feeding the cops bad info. I think Lori now knows the truth, and that Billy isn't it. But something about seeing Billy pay for any crime that may come out, is preferable to the truth she now knows being exposed. Still not sure that family incest or even Erin's murder is big enough of a secret to cause Lori to deliberately set up Billy, and Billy to be willing to effectively end his life of freedom to protect it. I can't see either of them doing these things just to protect John. Perhaps the "family " is code for a pedophile ring, drug operation, etc. That the Rosses have been protecting for a long time.
I wonder if the murder weapon is Mare's father's gun.
I also wonder if Richard is in the story as a vehicle for subliminal clues for us. His name is Richard Ryan...so maybe Ryan should be looked at more closely. His book is called "May's Landing" and we know the family reunion was at a lake. On May 29.
I still think Kevin is the key to solving all the mysteries.

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Yea but how does Erin's best friend and ex-boyfriend factor into all of this? Why did she lie about the journals? Was she taking pictures of some of the pages of the journals?

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If someone OD's the person who examines the body would find enough DRUGS in their system to know that (unless someone pays them off to FAKE the results of the test). And all SUICIDES would also be examined the same as a HOMICIDE case.

But what you say about how you believe Lori agreed '"to misdirect Mare after Billy on purpose, "to protect the family," just as Jess has, up to now, been taking orders from Dylan on feeding the cops bad info"' is also PRETTY SPOOKY!!! Because IF that's what's happened then not only RYAN but that other pretty girl who's his sister could end up HOMELESS !!!

For that reason I also hope you're WRONG about LORI (someone who MARE's probably also known for her entire LIFE) !!!

I'm also thinking JOHN's father might be a retired detective who use to work with Mare's father (due to seeing some kind of an ANTIQUE looking gun in a COP case in the PREVIEW -- and because the BALISTICS REPORT also said the GUN that killed ERIN was the same kind used by MARE's father). So either John's father was also a COP or else maybe KEVIN (who STEALS stuff from MARE) sold her father's gun to someone else???

I'm also thinking RICHARD turns out to have been seeing MARE because he's writing another BOOK (which is probably also called "LADYHAWK" this time).

And I'm also DYING to KNOW DYLAN's connection to all of this and why JESS is (or was) under his THUMB (is she also an ADDICT)???

As for what else RYAN may know ... doesn't it also makes sense that he attacks that other BULLY because he'd seen him picking on his SISTER for so long that he finally reached the point where he'd had enough of it???








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you were right about ryan

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Good points. I still wonder why we saw John and Lori’s son pummel that kid in the cafeteria with the tray. That kid knows something and he has a violent temper.

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Excellent thought that Kevin may have stolen and sold his grandfather's gun. I would think Mare would have sorely missed it and would have immediately thought of that upon hearing the. Ballistics results.
I was wondering if Richard is actually an undercover PI, like the one who actually solved Colin's case. But I can't think what case he'd have been hired to solve, or who would have hired him.

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The GUN may have gone missing even before KEVIN dies. And Richard is probably looking for more material for another book and has found it. Because He may also have met MARE "on purpose" that night, because he'd already heard about her and decided to write another story about her (especially with her reputation of being the town STAR as the LADYHAWK).

Here's some more thoughts posted to the other topic:

Since MARE says NO ONE goes up to that attic anymore, and the EMS had to pull Kevin's body away from her, perhaps she also refused to let anyone investigate her home???

But MAYBE DYLAN also knows about KEVIN and ERIN??? And maybe he's angry at JESS for setting him up with a date with ERIN (when she already knew Erin was pregnant but then still went along with the process of blaming Dylan for getting Erin that way)???

And maybe DYLAN is also plenty pissed about how he's been "CATFISHED" by JOHN or by KEVIN into taking the blame for being the baby's father???


Because when he's in the hospital, and he has his father put the baby on his lap so he can look at it, perhaps he also figures out WHO the child looks like???

So maybe DYLAN will also show up at the LAKE looking for JOHN, and he may also have that GUN with him (the one in the PREVIEW that maybe use to belong to MARE's dad) that KEVIN might have given to DYLAN in return for some drugs???

And maybe we'll also see some kind of a gun fight take place between BILLY, JOHN, DYLAN, and MARE at the lake before the BACK UPS show up???

IF MARE also discovers the death of her son KEVIN was actually a HOMICIDE during the SHOOT OUT, then that will probably also end the GUILT that Mare is feeling and make her daughter also feel much better as well???

And then MARE could also end up with still another grandson to raise (if KEVIN is the father of Erin's child instead of JOHN or BILLY).

One could also see JOHN "CATFISHING" BILLY by sending ERIN to live with him. Because Lori also said Erin had lived with them before she went to stay with BILLY. So JOHN may also have first gotten ERIN pregnant and then blames it on BILLY???

If JOHN's DNA indicates he's NOT the father, hopefully that will also mean KEVIN turns out to be the father. But that also means Frank's DNA should have looked like a match when he got tested (with KEVIN being his SON and sharing 50% of the same DNA)???

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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/05/mare-of-easttown-who-killed-erin-billy-john-ross-abuse-robbie-tann-interview


Mare is walking towards a Ross family showdown with the wrong guilty brother in mind. Will Billy pull the gun on John in order to defend himself? Will Mare shoot Billy, thinking he’s the guilty party? I’m worried that’s the fate waiting for poor Billy after a lifetime of misery. But no matter what, the fallout from all of this is going to be disastrous for Mare, given that the one source of friction we’ve seen between her and her best friend Lori is John.

Lori may learn the ugly truth about John and still have trouble forgiving Mare for her role in uncovering it all.

Let’s return now to poor Billy Ross and his long, complicated relationship with his brother. If we believe John Ross is guilty of sleeping with and killing Erin, then we know he has no boundaries when it comes to taking advantage of vulnerable young relatives. We also witnessed this creepy moment between John and his son Ryan.

John is probably at the very least guilt of emotionally abusing and manipulating both Ryan and Billy from a very young age—but could he have been even more transgressive than that? Speaking about Billy’s past, Robbie Tann said: “Billy’s had some tragedy happen in his life as well. Particularly with family members in his life. He’s been wearing that underneath all of what’s been going on. He’s been wearing that for quite some time.”

What tragedy did Billy’s family visit on him from a young age? How abusive was John to his younger brother, leaving Billy nervous and emotional and prone to drink?

And that’s how Mare of Easttown’s biggest murder suspect headed into the finale might wind up being the show’s most tragic victim instead.

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It was extremely obvious during Episode Six that Billy didn’t kill Erin and that John was setting him up as a scapegoat before taking him fishing in order to shoot him (or stage a suicide).

I’m hoping that there will be a final rug pull and it will be revealed that John was prepared to frame Billy in order to protect the actual murderer: his son or wife.

Both of them were upset that John was having “affairs” and the son definitely saw something his father asked him to keep a secret. Perhaps one of them discovered that John fathered a child with Erin? Perhaps Erin tried to blackmail John for money to pay for her son’s ear surgery?

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How would John's son Ryan have gotten to the park at 2am that night?? His mother was also at the bar with Mare the night Erin died.

And If ERIN was asking both DYLAN and John for money for her son's surgery, you also have to wonder who else she may have asked for money. Because if she knew DYLAN wasn't DJ's father and she's asking him, why not ask as many other people as possible.

I'm also thinking maybe DYLAN told ERIN to meet him the night she died in that other park (so that he could give her the money she needed while Brianna was sleeping). Then John and Billy show up and there's a confrontation with Erin stepping in to try to break it up.

Then after DYLAN learns the baby isn't his son he takes the money back again the night they burn Erin's journals. But it also doesn't explain what made her so hysterical when she got the message saying to meet her there. Since Dylan had the baby that night, maybe he said he was leaving him there if she didn't show up???

And if JOHN's the one who sent her a message telling her to meet him there at that PARK, what could he have said to her to get her upset???

John and Billy had also been to Frank's engagement party that night, and they had also been to the same bar where MARE was with LORI and meets RICHARD.

Could Erin have called JOHN and told him what Brianna and Dylan did to her asking him for his help? Since the only number they found on her phone that night was the call to the Deacon, could he have called JOHN asking him to go check on her that night because he was worried about her???

Could John have also deleted any calls that Erin had on her phone that were made to him??? Because the COPS had her phone records but never mentioned who sent her the TEXT message saying to meet them at that park. And even if John deletes a call to him or a TEXT from him, wouldn't there still also be a record of it anyhow with the phone co???

Becca (the former girlfriend of Mare's daughter) was also pissed at her that night for some reason. Because when Siobhan reached over to her in bed she jerks away from her.

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About 48 MORE HOURS to go until it's SHOWTIME for the SERIES FINALE on HBO!!!

Also still keeping the FINGERS and toes CROSSED that HBO will also allow MARE to have another 2ND SEASON again (like they did in the case with BIG LITTLE LIES).


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COUNTING DOWN ...

LESS than 46 HOURS to go until the SERIES FINALE !!!


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Some interesting thoughts in this thread.

Who killed Erin?

I agree John is a far more likely suspect than Billy. That seems pretty obvious. Near the beginning of the sixth episode, Billy angrily refuses to help John move the mattress and says, "You made a mess of your life 'cause you couldn't keep your dick in your fucking pants. Now you clean it up." He's talking about helping his brother dispose of the body.

The scene where John confronts Billy plays like an older writer's trick: All of the evidence seems to point to Billy, but it's a reversal. John's actually pleading with his brother to take the fall. "You understand? Dad saw you. What the fuck am I supposed to do? Mare's asking around... It's only a matter of time. Please? Please."

Billy relents.

"I need to hear you say it."

It could be gaslighting. Maybe Billy was black-out drunk, but I doubt it. When Billy says he's ready to confess, John asks if he's sure. He probably figures offing Billy secures him more protection (dead men tell no tales), but this seems short-sighted: An inevitable DNA test will prove Billy's a blood-relative of the biological father.

The idea that John's covering for Lori sounds like an intriguing twist -- it never occurred to me -- but strikes me as wildly implausible. Same for their weird son being the killer/ a father. In episode three, Det. Zabel explains why the killer moved the body by the bridge, hypothesizing "he" didn't want anyone to see it. Mare's quick to say "he or she," but that could just be her be a good detective. The timelines are a little funky. We know Lori left the bar before Mare. We also learn that John drove recently engaged Frank home at 2:30 (Erin was murdered sometime between 10 and 2).

Continued...

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Where was Dylan that night?

Someone above suggests Dylan snuck out to give Erin money for the ear operation, and THAT'S why he went back to her place (to recover it). Two problems: If he gave her the money at that time, how did the funds travel back to her secret hiding spot? (By the way, how incompetent are the police that they didn't find the journals, necklace, or cash hours after her death??). Second: How would he know where to meet her? A general problem with Erin's slaying is that her phone records should betray who she intended to meet, which means she didn't plan to meet anyone (except the priest), which suggests the killing was opportunistic... which perfectly fits the M.O. of the abductor Potts. Except he didn't do it.

So how did John know where Erin would be? The only plausible explanation that comes to mind is that she had another phone, maybe a burner he gave her. I don't see how others just stumble upon her while carrying an old revolver.

Maybe John lured Dylan out of the house so the kid's alibi would be screwed and he'd take the fall (or Kenny might murder him).

Kevin's Death

We have a suggestion that Kevin's death might not have been a suicide, which would make the series too soap-operaish. It's possible a drug addict scrounging for things to hock could stumble upon a forbidden affair (it's also possible he sold his grandfather's gun, which was somehow used in the killings. Maybe someone bought it off him rationalizing that the drugs he'd do were less dangerous than a firearm). Speaking of kids poking their nose into other people's business, when Mare asks Lori about the reunion, and it's noted that the family brought their kids along. This is where her son could have seen his father intimate with Erin. Maybe his father never cheated with the old mistress; Lori simply guessed that and her son nodded.

The Photo

I'm guessing it's a "family" shot of John, Erin, and the baby.

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The reason why I hope Kevin's the father of ERIN's son is because Siobhan will probably go off to college, and Carrie will have custody of her son Drew, and Mare's mom may also move in with that other man that she had an affair with which would leave Mare all alone in that house.

So if she's got another grandson that would solve that problem, because her Mom would probably keep living there to help her raise DJ. And if she continues seeing Richard the writer, he could also move into the house with her (which would also mean that she'd still have 3 people living there with her).

Someone above suggests Dylan snuck out to give Erin money for the ear operation, and THAT'S why he went back to her place (to recover it). Two problems: If he gave her the money at that time, how did the funds travel back to her secret hiding spot?


I'm the one who suggested Dylan contacts Erin that night to give her the money, but WONDERFUL OBSERVATION about how after she's DEAD that makes it highly unlikely the money would end up being with the JOURNALS.

So how did she get it before she dies?

Did she LIE to DYLAN about needing it?

Because we also see her asking DYLAN for it the day she died, and then we see her with JESS and her mom who put make up on her for her date after Dylan picks up the baby. So when did she have time to ask someone else for the money???

ABOUT 37 more HOURS left to GO until it's SHOWTIME again on HBO !!!

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I assume she made the money hooking. It is strange that he seemed to know she would have some cash -- and that he was insistent about not reading the journals. I don't know what's going on there. He better not be secretly gay or something.

I sort of hope that Kevin's death has very little to do plotwise with everything that's occurring. It would be elegant in one sense, but just too much in another. Erin's son has surrogate parents. They seem very loving and capable, but their biological kid Dylan turned out to be an asshole, so who knows. Maybe they've learned from their mistakes.

As someone above notes, John being the father and attempting to kill Billy just doesn't seem like enough for a full episode. Mare still needs to come to terms with her son's death, her daughter needs to resolve the relationship with her gf/college, we find out what's going on with the writer, the priest, Frank's engagement, custody of Mare's grandson, what's the connection to the peeping Tom...

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Since JESS lies to MARE about where the JOURNALS were HIDDEN, she may also have LIED about Erin not making any money as a prostitute. But IF that's JOHN in that PHOTO with her instead of KEVIN, that still doesn't explain why DYLAN would want to BURN her JOURNALS.

Unless maybe KEVIN OD's and then DYLAN hangs his body up in the ATTIC as a way to try to keep Mare from finding out that he got the drugs from DYLAN who sells them or something??? The possibility that DYLAN's GAY also occured to me as well. Or maybe he's BI SEXUAL??? And if he was in a relationship with KEVIN, maybe that also explains the reason why he didn't kill his son with the pillow at the hospital???

According to LORI (who told Mare she and John were thinking of adopting DJ), Dylan's parents had also already agreed to turn him over to CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES. So forget about them as being surrogate parents for DJ. I suppose Dylan may have also BROW BEATEN them into that decision?

Something's going to happen up at that LAKE that also involves KEVIN, because we keep seeing those FLASHBACK SCENES of him at a LAKE as a KID. And since Billy isn't married, perhaps that could also indicate he's also gay? Maybe the reason why ERIN didn't stay with Billy any longer was because she caught him having sex with DYLAN and/or with KEVIN???

Maybe that could explain the reason why DYLAN wants the JOURNALS BURNED?? Because they could link KEVIN's death back to him???

And If KEVIN's death wasn't a SUICIDE, then that would probably help both MARE and her daughter let go of the GUILT they must feel and deal better with his death???

As hard as I've tried, I just can't figure out how All of the LOSE ENDS to the story that we've got left DANGLING now can be TIED UP satisfactorily enough. So it will be interesting to see how it all gets RESOLVED. My guess would be MARE probably hears BILLY saying something to JOHN about KEVIN after he points that GUN in the TACKEL box at him that can TIE things together somehow???

Perhaps The PRIEST (Mare's Cousin) and/or the DECON have probably also heard some CONFESSIONS that can TIE things up for us (once those who confessed their sins to them are dead)???



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LESS than 8 more HOURS LEFT to go until it's SHOWTIME again for MARE on HBO !!!

As MARE said to her SHRINK:

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I see others are saying the kid (Ryan Ross) killed Erin, which explains the odd trajectory of the bullet and Billy's willingness to be a fall guy. I still don't understand how the kid meets up with her (or if he stumbles upon her, why he's carrying a pistol).

The gun has been a sticking point for me. Here's how I want to explain it: Hooking is a dangerous profession, so the gun belongs to Erin. She was supposed to be going to the woods and meeting a strange boy for the first time, which explains why she brought the gun. She pulled it on someone in the park, she was overpowered (she's only five feet tall), and gunned down. Maybe she was shaking down John Ross.

If we want get more exotic, then we can say the gun belonged to Kevin's grandfather. Kevin and Erin were in some super-duper secret relationship, and that's how she got the gun. Also, Ross bought the locket for Kevin to give to Erin. (I find this far-fetched.)

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How do you explain how Ryan gets to that park at that time (she's killed between midnight and 2am) without his parents knowing he's missing and without being old enough to drive?

Or why would Erin be upset like the DECON said she was if it was RYAN who contacts her?

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I don't like Ryan as a suspect. He doesn't make much sense to me.

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Well now we have no choice but to accept him. But DYLAN willing to PROTECT JOHN who let him take the blame for getting Erin pregant, and being willing to help BURN the JOURNALS to protect that FACT makes even LESS SENSE than having a 13 yr old killing ERIN.

LORI saying it was an ACCIDENT when he STOLE the GUN is also a bunch of BS.

Because Ryan also didn't ACCIDENTLY STEAL the GUN.

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No, the gun was premeditated. But I can buy that he wanted to scare Erin off. Sort of. It just that it seems the Ross men are a bit amoral. Bad blood.

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PLUS Ryan could also have been COAXED to say that he was sorry and say the other stuff as a way to keep them from locking him up longer.

Lori saying it was an ACCIDENT after he DELIBERATELY STOLE the GUN, and then blaming it on MARE for not letting it go was also problematic. Because RYAN's also been taught by both of his parents to LIE about what really happened.

And his sister also LIED to MARE and told her NO when she asked her if anyone at school was picking on her.

So if DJ also grows up learning to LIE, how surprised should we be???

Also Ryan sending a TEXT MESSAGE and PRETENDING to be his father is also the same kind of thing that BRIANNA did to ERIN that same night when she pretends to be a guy Erin was suppose to meet for a date !!!

Then he also agrees to let Brianna and Dylan take the blame for what he did, and he was also willing to let his UNCLE go to jail as well???

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This is also the 2nd time now that we've had 13 yr old KILLERS -- due to the 13 yr old sister of the REPORTER in "SHARP OBJECTS" turning out to have killed 2 other girls for their TEETH -- so that she could decorate the bathroom floor of her DOLL HOUSE with them -- (so that it would match her mother's bathroom floor).

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I have to think about your answer and go back some episodes since I was just recovering from a bad covid-19 when I saw the first episodes, and try to catch the same scenes you describe.

I get the parallel til Sharp Objects, that was also a stretch.

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Sorry to hear you've been ill. Also Hope you're ok and can make more sense of this story than I can!!! Because things don't ADD UP right for me. And we also never got to see that VIDEO of KEVIN that his sister made about either.

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Well now we have no choice but to accept him. But DYLAN willing to PROTECT JOHN who let him take the blame for getting Erin pregant, and being willing to help BURN the JOURNALS to protect that FACT makes even LESS SENSE than having a 13 yr old killing ERIN.


First, I'll say what I liked. I liked that the photograph did not show John posing for the camera. Erin took it while he was asleep. That makes sense. Now here's what doesn't make sense: Almost everything else.

Why doesn't he block her from his main phone at least for the rest of night while she's having this episode? Why is she listed as "Erin" in his contacts? Why doesn't he immediately delete the messages? Why isn't his phone glued to his hand so that no one else can stumble upon his messages? Why isn't it password locked? Anything.

Frank reported that John Ross had been laughing and singing that night, but the guy was livid -- at least for a moment. He was able to keep it together after his little blow-up? Even after he told the "child" never to contact him on his phone again, she texts him with her intention of going to the park all alone.

The timeline with the Deacon and Ryan getting to the park before her is not making sense to me. She texts John to meet her. Then she calls the Deacon for a ride? Meanwhile, the party winds down, the kid goes home, sneaks out to grab the gun, then makes it to the park before her?

A former police officer has the brilliant idea of leaving a loaded gun in a shed. Never mind a thirteen-year-old boy has access, and there are vandals roaming. He claims he couldn't leave it in the attic because of the grandkids. Well, geez, officer, how about investing in a safe? How about getting rid of the ammo? Also, you know two rounds are gone, but that doesn't raise any alarms? The whole thing reminds me of Mulaney's bit on SVU where a witness remembers something at the last moment, "Oh, yeah, he said somethin' about going to a knife shop."

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"Some things have gone missin' from around the house. A stupid cup that nobody cares about -- GONE. A pizza slicer -- a real good one -- GONE. And my gun was missing, too, but never mind that, please find my pizza slicer." When did it go missing? "Well... hmmmm... it must've been the night of the high profile homicide you've been working on, but it was returned to me almost immediately. Now about that pizza slicer..."

Forget the murder. He had a loaded gun stolen from property invaded by trespassers and he didn't figure, "Hey, I should report this..."? Never mind that he had been concerned enough to set up surveillance cameras and call the police more than once.

Finally, was it ever explained why Dylan ventured out that night?

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EXCELLENT OBSERVATIONS Mav!!!

Dylan was obviously a character who's MAIN PURPOSE was to throw us off.

Because it also MAKES NO SENSE whatsoever that he'd be willing to BURN the JOURNALS to protect the MAN who let him take the blame for getting ERIN pregnant when he didn't (which is also what JESS says was the reason why they burned them) .

And then John also planed on having DYLAN get blamed for KILLING Erin instead of his son.

Dylan didn't know the reason why JOHN moves Erin's body, but he DID KNOW the reason why JESS wanted him to BURN the JOURNALS.

And with his TEMPER, burning those JOURNALS to PROTECT the man who blamed him for being the father of a child when he wasn't is also the last thing that Dylan would do.

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Ryan was suppose to be at home with his sister that night while his parents were at Franks party and then at the Bar.

And RYAN was suppose to have been the one to TEXT ERIN the message telling her to meet him (with her thinking she was meeting JOHN).

But WONDERFUL points about how John would just leave that PRE PAID phone lying around that he didn't want Lori to find.
Because if his son could find and use it, then so could his mother.

And That park's also suppose to be 13 MILES away from the other area where Erin's body was found.

So Ryan rides his bike to the SHED, from the SHED to the PARK where he waits for ERIN, and then rides it back to the SHED again so he could leave the GUN that he killed her with there???

The whole thing is ABSURD to say the least.

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