/spoiler/ - the dance


I enjoyed how the girls allowed Emily into their group at the end, despite what her accusations had eventually led to, with the death of Lavinia. It might not be realistic for people to be so forgiving, but it was refreshing that the girls overcame any negative feelings toward this girl & accepted her. That's what the Sisterhood of Night was all about anyway, having a safe place for each other.

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I think it could be realistic depending on the person. Personally, I think Mary understood that she wasn't right in doing all the things she did. Had she not excluded Emily in the beginning, none of it would have happened, since all Emily wanted was to be a part of the Sisterhood.

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"Had she not excluded Emily in the beginning, none of it would have happened,"

no. mary's vengeful actions are not emily's responsibility.

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I never said that any of their actions were someone else's responsibility. However, you can't act like they are both innocent. They are both 15/16 year old who made mistakes, and it grew bigger than it was suppose to.

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one of them goofed around at the audition and after that just ignored the other, while in retaliation the blogger did everything in her power to place as much damage as possible and did not stop, even as the amount of her wrongdoings became clear to her. it took someone losing her life, for her to eventually speak up. comparable? hardly.

"and it grew bigger than it was suppose to."

and who let it willingly go out of hand?

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Mary also called spray painted "Emily Parris is a blog whore" on the school wall. That's not ignoring, that's a form of bullying, just like it's bullying to post someone's personal texts for the whole school to see.

And to put all the blame for Lavinia's death on Emily is petty sighted. She might have had a hand in the plan, but she pulled out and tried to warn her. After that, it was all done by the hands of three other students. Who's to say that Emily wouldn't have spoken up about it even if the death hadn't occurred? You could see during her radio interview how uncomfortable she was being with people who had actually been molested, she obviously felt bad about lying, but the radio show and the death happened on the same day, so there's not a lot of time for her to actually think things through and correct her mistakes.

Yes it got out of hand, but again: she was 15 years old. She made a mistake, a big one, but still a mistake.

On the contrary to what you seem to believe; I'm not trying to justify Emily's actions and say that it's okay, because it's not. What I am trying to do is explain that placing blame on her even after she knew she was wrong, is the wrong thing to do. The movie is a about friendship and forgiveness, so it makes sense for them to forgive her, and it's not like it couldn't happen in real life.

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"Mary also called spray painted "Emily Parris is a blog whore" on the school wall."

and that's where it ended from mary's side.

"And to put all the blame for death on Emily is petty sighted. She might have had a hand in the plan, but she pulled out and tried to warn her. "

she told the world that the girls "molested" her. of course she is to blame.

"After that, it was all done by the hands of three other students. "

yeah, that's convenient isn't it? as long as you don't do the dirty work yourself, right?

"Yes it got out of hand, but again: she was 15 years old. She made a mistake, a big one, but still a mistake."

that's no excuse. you see when she corresponds online that she initially wants to do the right thing, but then again and again changes her mind to get her "revenge".

"On the contrary to what you seem to believe; I'm not trying to justify Emily's actions and say that it's okay, because it's not. What I am trying to do is explain that placing blame on her even after she knew she was wrong, is the wrong thing to do. The movie is a about friendship and forgiveness, so it makes sense for them to forgive her, and it's not like it couldn't happen in real life."

i understand what the film aimed out to do, but for said reasons it failed. not only for that reason, but for a couple of others as well. in many scenes it becomes clear that they tried to hard. the "oh all is forgiven, let's dance with us scene" for example or the closing monologue "... and all over the nation new sisterhoods arose" ...etc. it could have been a beautiful film and yes, that was the intention, but in the end, it wasn't.

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You know what, I'm not going to waste my time anymore. I'm not going to change my opinion and neither are you so there's really no use.

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and that's where it ended from mary's side.
Also, "You will never be one of us."

As she said in one of her prayers, Emily wanted to either hurt Mary or to be her friend. Either would do.

She was a sad, lonely, and desperate teenager who made the wrong choices.

Is she responsible for her actions? Yes. Is she an unrepentant monster? No.

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FYI, bullying is more than just spray painting something mean on a wall one time. It is systemic and involves a real or perceived power differential between the two parties. Emily deliberately and repeatedly tried to tried to destroy Mary's life by sharing her private communications and making heinous allegations, including bringing parents and authority figures into it. If you think those are equal - OK. We can agree to disagree


This isn't solely directed at you, but I am really tired of seeing the term "bullying" used as a blanket definition of any jerky thing a person does.

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