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What is so controversial about Thatcher?


For example, when she closed down the mining jobs, there were a lot of protests. Even at her funeral, thirty years later, there were still protesters.

But how was England expected to compete with foreign markets in that area? Mining was going down anyway. And why on earth would anyone want to fight for a mining job?

But in regards to her foreign policy, I can't comment. The reports of the death squads in Latin America that she and Reagan supported is nothing short of horrific.

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Primarily because she and her Government took on the power of the mighty unions and broke them and thus transformed the way industries were run in Britain. As you can guess this was heresy to the union leaders and their left wing supporters.

During WW2 the unions grew in strength and started dictating to the government (there were around thirty separate strikes in the aircraft industry in the year 1944 alone). By the 1960's they were very powerful and had imposed terms and conditions that gave them more power than the management, for example -

The closed shop - every single employee of an organisation had to become a union member, anyone who refused would be instantly fired.
Job continuation - any employee who left the organisation had to be replaced.
Job restriction - employees could only carry out functions outlined in their job description, anything outside it and they had to call in another employee to do that part.

Pre 1979 successive governments had either meekly given in to the demands of the unions or those that had tried to oppose them had either been humiliatingly defeated or had backtracked when the going got tough. During the 1970's services were constantly disrupted by strikes - no mail delivered for weeks, TV services closed down for weeks, no rail service during holiday time, power cuts at the height of winter etc causing much misery for the ordinary man and woman and for their children.

As to your question asking how these industries were expected to compete in markets, the unions weren't interested and didn't care about that. Those organisations were there to provide jobs for their members and NOT to make profits which were considered immoral and un-socialist. Many of the organisations blighted by strikes were nationalise industries and any losses they made were compensated by the government, money obtained from high taxation from the public. For example when the Thatcher government were elected the nationalised British Steel Corporation was making an annual net loss of 2 billion pounds. They decided that this could not go on and announced job cuts which led to strikes.

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What isn't controversial about Thatcher...

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Wow your comment about "why would anybody want to fight for a mining job" shows you are pretty arrogant. Maybe they wanted to feed their family?

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It'd be easier to feed their families if they didn't strike as they'd get paid for working. That's partly why the strike ultimately ended.

The desire to keep the mining jobs was more because - in many fairly remote areas - the mines were almost the only work available, at least for those without much education or other skills. If someone had spent their whole life only doing one job then it was suddenly gone, it was doubtful they'd ever work again.

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Closing pits saved lives. How many people get pneumoconiosis these days?

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https://www.datalounge.com/thread/31195684-margaret-thatcher

Short answer: she was an abrasive personality who made real change, love it or hate it. A big secret of Thatcher's success was that the Labour Party had a bad record in power in the late 1970s then in opposition went far to the left, causing a split and the rise of a centrist party. The other lucky break for her was Argentine dictatorship invading the Falklands, allowing her to be a successful wartime leader. She won three elections, but never got (or needed) close to 50% of the vote. She played this for what it was worth, seizing the moment. Even after her megalomania took over and she became such a liability the party dumped in 1990, she still was a very influential figure among them until her dementia set in 12 years later. She reshaped British politics. Tony Blair's New Labour centrism was entirely a reaction to her success. She really was at least as important there as Reagan was here, and an influence on him.

by Anonymous reply 20 July 9, 2022 6:44 PM

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"the Falklands, allowing her to be a successful wartime leader."

I don't know a lot about Thatcher, but "successful wartime leader" based on what happened in the Falklands sounds... overrated?

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