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Schadenfreude and Scapegoating


So here we have an entire message board devoted to reveling in how bad a movie is, how much joy there is in seeing the work of its creators go unrewarded and hope expressed that they will be unemployed in the future, how anyone who could possibly like it is inferior ... and most of the comments come from people who proudly state that they have not actually seen the movie, would not deign to see it, and regard people who have seen it as fools.

Man, this sure feels like Germany in the 30's.

At this point whether Witless Protection, evidently a low comedy not appealing to politically correct intelligentsia, is or is not a good movie is beside the point. This sort of reaction -- what Orwell described as duckspeak -- scares the crap out of me as a harbinger of a totalitarianism to come where conformity is mandatory and laughter is permissible only by the ruling class.

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^Unless you actually lived in Germany during the 30s this is a gross hyperbole I find both irrational and just a bit pretentious, though apparently by doing so I'm branded as an elitist and a future member of the SS. Of course your assessment is clearly fair, seeing as how it's justified by equating silly message board posts to a virtual "Kristallnacht" (by the way, this so-called "duck-speak" extends far beyond the "politically-correct intelligentsia" you attempt to peg us as). Apparently you can see into the depths of our human souls through your computer screen...

What do you suggest, oh enlightened one on your quest to save us from our imminent societal downfall, some form of practical, pragmatic activism to change the course of our erring ways? No...you'll just quote us more severely out-dated doom prophesy from 1984...

We don't have to see this movie to know it's double plus bad, just like we don't have to stick my nose into a pile of dog s*** to know it's not going to be a pleasant experience. Obviously our criticism has so very little, microscopic, bearing anyhow so quit over-reacting.
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"Unless you actually lived in Germany during the 30s this is a gross hyperbole"

Excuse me, but that's why we have history books, so people too young to have lived through something can understand it.

Kristallnacht was not on day one of the run up to the Holocaust; it was -- if you'll excuse the precise language -- the crystallization of the process, precisely like a slow chemical reaction reaching a swift turning point.

You do need to see this movie to know whether it's bad. Your know-nothing assertion of its worthlessness without making up your own mind is precisely what makes this echo-chamber scapegoating akin to the cultish scapegoatings of Jews, Gypsies, gays, etc., in 1930's Germany.

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I'll admit I was definitely wrong, I'll go check out the film before making my decision--on DVD or if it's on cable or something though I recognize it's imperative that I do so before it's too late--and I'll also be sure to report this burgeoning subversive activity to the FBI and CIA. Though since you pretty much prophesied this doom as inevitable (vindicated by history of course), in the mean time you be sure to stock up on weapons, barricade your home, form an underground resistance with a bunch of gun-toting hicks, or just do some "Radio Free Europe"-style broadcasts from under your bed...whatever you think is necessary before you and your kind are the victims of the impending genocide.
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"I'll go check out the film before making my decision--on DVD or if it's on cable or something"

If only this statement hadn't been sarcastic, it would have been the first sensible thing you'd have written in this thread.

Look up the word "prejudice." It means to prejudge -- like judging a movie before you've seen it?

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Check out the big brain on Jneil!

Look. Some of us are just a little scared of inbred rednecks that vote for Bush and Cheney and the like, and are ALWAYS going to make fun of inbred, tobacco spittin', 80's mustache-wearin' Busch lite in a can-swillin', Nascar-watchin', mullet-wearin', beer bellied hicks with barbeque stains on their wife-beaters who pay money to watch ANOTHER dumb redneck jump around like a monkey with a head injury while his armpits are hanging out. It's part of the dumbing down of America and it scares us. So we make fun of it. Plus, they make it SO EASY to do so. Maybe one of them could make fun of us for getting modern haircuts, or reading books or washing our clothes.

I don't think there are big brothers or Nazi's on this board, just movie fans. We're allowed to judge movies and discuss them on a site called the internet MOVIE database.

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Look. If you'd actually bothered to see the movie -- like I finally got around to doing yesterday -- you might have found out that its comedy targets are indistinguishable from Michael Moore's.

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I have no idea what you mean by that. Would you please point out some examples of what you're talking about? I saw the movie for free so you can be specific if you want to.

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I saw the movie. Well the first 40 minutes before we turned it off because it was so lame and stupid. We get Japanese DVD's from an associate, they come out 3 or 4 months early over there.

Do you know what happens when you assume Jniel? You make an ass out of Uma Thurman. I think Letterman said that. Can't remember. Anyway, the movie sucks. Seriously.

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To quote JFK, "We differ."

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"I have no idea what you mean by that. Would you please point out some examples of what you're talking about? I saw the movie for free so you can be specific if you want to."

See my review of Witless Protection on Filmstew.com today at http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=16989

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Link doesn't work.

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As the man behind the abysmal Lady Magdalene's, I can certainly see why Neil would hold the opinion that you should go out and see every film ever made - otherwise, hey, who knows what you're missing? You shouldn't be able to do something like watch the trailer and consider the other films of the actors/writer/director/etc. You should just shell out your cash for anything.

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^A great post.

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Obviously Jneil eats d|ck and ba||s.

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Only Rocky Mountain oysters sauteed in garlic and olive oil sauce, my friend.

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I am fascinated by your comments, Jneil. I read your review of Witless Protection. Are you seriously equating Larry-bashing to some sort of pre-Nazism or totalitarianism? I, frankly, am not offended by Larry the Cable Guys humor. And, as a peruser of these boards, I find that most of the negative comments about Larry are very much tongue-in-cheek. I would think that as a self-proclaimed fan of high and low-brow comedy, you would have noticed this. You seem intelligent and well-spoken, from your comments, and I am very much disappointed that you would make such silly and catastrophized sentiments.

I find Larry to be almost painfully unamusing. And I am confused by his popularity. So I protest bad comedy with (hopefully) good comedy. I am very much amused by the extreme sensitivity of Larry fans, which I think you may have demonstrated wonderfully with your post and review. I think you've fallen victim to the age-old internet cliche "If people agree with me, its the wonders of freedom of speech and, if they don't, they're Nazis." Freedom of speech, is a two-edged sword, my friend. We are so very lucky to live in a country where people like you and I can voice our contrary opinions. The bad part is that sooner or later someone will say something you or I don't like. It does NOT mean, however, that we're moving towards some sort of ritualistic cleansing of Larry fans.....although that might not be a bad thing :)



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Well thought out.

Here's what I said at http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/?p=9018

As author of the original Filmstew.com article (at http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=16989) that instigated this discussion, let me make clear that while I don’t regard bad reviews as the equivalent of censorship, when critics make clear that it’s the political content of the film that’s at issue — as did John Anderson’s LA Times review of Witless Protection which lists “misogyny, racism, sexism” as audience cautions — we’re well into the (pick one) Puritan/Stalinist/McCarthyist/Taliban/Singapore/ mindset that is the death of artistic freedom. Witless Protection is no cruder or more brain-numbing than what you’ll find in Scary Movie 4, Eddie Murphy’s The Nutty Professor, or Dumb and Dumberer, yet Larry the Cable Guy is singled out by critics who perceive this character as appealing to the right-wing. As I pointed out in a section of my article not quoted, the comedy targets of Witless Protection are largely the same as Michael Moore’s — overzealous Homeland Security agents, corruption in the federal government, and corruption in big business — yet the major media critics’ bias against anything they perceive as right wing is so herd-like that unless a studio can bypass them with an ample enough promotional budget they can trample the career of anyone of whom they disapprove. If anyone doubts the power of mass media to damage a career, William Randolph Hearst’s vendetta against Orson Welles should be instructive.

It’s not necessary to ban or censor movies to get them to portray the politics you want. It’s just necessary to make them commercially submarginal. Do this to filmmakers and actors you disagree with enough to take them off the white list of those who can be relied on to move product, and nothing Joseph Goebbels thought up would be more effective.

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I suspect (and keep in mind that I don't have any references for support) that the lively and hateful postings on Larry are not unlike the backlash against any other popular media that is of, ahem, questionable quality. I'm thinking of boy bands and other pop stars (Britney Spears, Michael Jackson) in particular. The problem is that most of the Larry haters (along with 75% of the people posting on the internet) are unimaginative in their writing and result to schoolyard discussion tactics. I find Larry to be annoying and tiresome and find myself puzzled by his popularity. But, then again, I also find most of the anti-Larry comments to be annoying and tiresome. I wouldn't be concerned about the Larry-haters. It's just another instance of backlash against popularity. It isn't the first time and certainly not the last.


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