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A Theory (Spoilers)

posted 14 years ago by matt_shade
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This is my theory based on certain clues from both series and the OVAs (but it’s probaby all wrong ):

How It Started
A government project yielded the beings now called the Moratorium, super-evolved humans with non-human thought processes. The Gates and the false sky are either results (created by the first Moratorium) or a cause of this (the survivors of the Gate phenomenons opening became the first Moratorium). The first Dolls, superhuman blank slates, were created with the Moratium, by the Moratorium or from the Moratorium (by human interference or just all by themselves). The Contractors are a side effect of the project trying to create (or make more) Dolls, programmable superhumans with Moratorium-like abilities (possibly even unexpectedly resulting in the Gates being created).
The humans think they have the superhuman types figured out but as Amber says the superhuman psyches are not above changing.
The ‘Shooting Star Fragments’ are simply objects from inside the Gate particularly infused with its properties (allowing Contractors to perform feats more like the first superhumans).

(I sometimes picture it like the first super-evolved humans simply leaving their physical bodies behind and the government studying these living remains, finding a way to ‘re-program’ them. In attempts to create more ‘Dolls’ the government tries to duplicate the phenomenon but somehow causes the huge Gates to appear and the Contractors begin appearing in the general populace.)

Where Things Are At Now
Izanami is basically Yin’s superhuman psyche and is more like the first Moratorium than any superhuman before her. But Yin’s human psyche made a wish to return all of Izanami’s ‘samples’ to a better life and Izanami made a deal with Shion (Izanagi) to accomplish this, since his duplication ability was perfect for the task. A new being was created as prophecied (Yin’s twin, which I call Niy) which is neither Doll, Contractor or Moratorium.

[–] matt_shade 13 years ago

shameless bump

[–] matt_shade 8 years ago

bump

"Need" is just a fiction. As is "should", "must", "value" and "importance".

[–] ephemereality 13 years ago

Well, it's not a bad theory and I think you are partially right on track that it is obvious that the results of the Gates, contractors, moratoria (how it would be spelt as plural in Latin) and dolls were created by government projects. That there is a lot of science involved is obviously hinted in both season 1 and 2, although the weakness of DtB is that the story is incredibly vague, especially in season 1, where it pulled off something very similar to RahXephon, pretending there to be information when there was no actual information.

However, DtB is by far not as bad as RahXephon, and it is obvious NGE was a huge inspiration for DtB, especially when it came to the ending. Also, at the end of season 1 AND 2 it is very hinted at that there may be multiple universes, or at least extra dimensions. My guess is that the gates were originally created as bridges to cross to either different universes or dimensions of reality, which explains why parts of earth simply ceased to disappear when the gates appeared.

It also makes perfect sense why organizations such as the Syndicate would have business around the areas where the gates were originally created when they appeared. Even though we will never know the real cause why Hei et al were fighting at the south gate when it appeared, they were most likely either trying to prevent them or to stop others to prevent them.

As for the whole Izanami/Izanagi deal, I am not entirely sure how canon I consider it all to be, because I don't see how it all fits into the rest of the story. My real grip here is that season simply deviated too much from the original concept laid out in season 1, and while the OVA tries to bridge this to some extent, I feel that season 2 was simply unable to properly deal with the themes presented.

Suppose you are right about "Niy" being a new form of superbeing that trascended current levels of mortality by being a psyche completely free from any kind of physical body, suppose the idea is very similar to the one presented in Ghost in the Shell of infinite lifeforms and all that, perfect life if you will, but where does that bring us in the context of Darker than Black? Nowhere, pretty much. It seems to bear no actual relevance to the story as a whole, as it currently stands.

[–] matt_shade 13 years ago

Well, it's not a bad theory

Thank you!

That there is a lot of science involved is obviously hinted in both season 1 and 2, although the weakness of DtB is that the story is incredibly vague, especially in season 1, where it pulled off something very similar to RahXephon, pretending there to be information when there was no actual information.

Tell me about it, RahXephon was good up until I realized more than half of it's not going to make sense to me at all. And I'm an Ergo Proxy fan, I can tolerate a lot of non-making-sense-ness.

Also, at the end of season 1 AND 2 it is very hinted at that there may be multiple universes, or at least extra dimensions.

Technically they hint at that already in mid-season 1 with Hei going undercover at the Pandora installation.

My guess is that the gates were originally created as bridges to cross to either different universes or dimensions of reality, which explains why parts of earth simply ceased to disappear when the gates appeared.

My understanding is they haven't disappeared, two areas just became weird and then later one of them became impenetrable during a big conflict.

It also makes perfect sense why organizations such as the Syndicate would have business around the areas where the gates were originally created when they appeared. Even though we will never know the real cause why Hei et al were fighting at the south gate when it appeared, they were most likely either trying to prevent them or to stop others to prevent them.

My understanding is Heaven's Gate had already appeared before then and Hei, Pai, Amber and Havoc were fighting in some conflict over it and at some point Heaven's Gate became impenetrable. In season 1 the Syndicate tried to make the same thing happen to Hell's Gate but Amber had Hei prevent it.

As for the whole Izanami/Izanagi deal, I am not entirely sure how canon I consider it all to be, because I don't see how it all fits into the rest of the story.

The thing with DtB is that it isn't one straightforward story, it's a universe where lots of things are going on and intersect and the main characters are usually somewhere around the center of it.

My real grip here is that season simply deviated too much from the original concept laid out in season 1, and while the OVA tries to bridge this to some extent, I feel that season 2 was simply unable to properly deal with the themes presented.

I have my gripes with it of my own but I wouldn't say it failed its theme. Things not going the way we want or expect them to is part of a dark show.

Suppose you are right about "Niy" being a new form of superbeing that trascended current levels of mortality by being a psyche completely free from any kind of physical body, suppose the idea is very similar to the one presented in Ghost in the Shell of infinite lifeforms and all that, perfect life if you will, but where does that bring us in the context of Darker than Black? Nowhere, pretty much. It seems to bear no actual relevance to the story as a whole, as it currently stands.

Well, I didn't say Niy would transcend mortality or have no physical body or be infinite or perfect, I just said Niy would be something new, whether Niy actually is Kirsi back from other dimensions and now split off from Yin put inside a new male body or just a 'clone' of Yin from when she was still 'Izanami' (Yin+Kirsi) is a separate issue.

Where it bears relevance to the story? Nowhere, unless we want to understand what was actually going on.

[–] ephemereality 13 years ago

I won't bother to blockquote, I will just put things in quotation marks.

"My understanding is they haven't disappeared, two areas just became weird and then later one of them became impenetrable during a big conflict."

I am pretty sure that in the translation I followed, they clearly said that South America disappeared. It could be an error in translation though, or I remember it incorrectly.

"The thing with DtB is that it isn't one straightforward story, it's a universe where lots of things are going on and intersect and the main characters are usually somewhere around the center of it."

I understand this, it relates more to my last comment how it actually affects these characters.

"I have my gripes with it of my own but I wouldn't say it failed its theme. Things not going the way we want or expect them to is part of a dark show."

Theme = genre. Bad choice of words. Season two wasn't able to maintain the original noir feeling and storytelling of season one.

" Suppose you are right about "Niy" being a new form of superbeing that trascended current levels of mortality by being a psyche completely free from any kind of physical body, suppose the idea is very similar to the one presented in Ghost in the Shell of infinite lifeforms and all that, perfect life if you will, but where does that bring us in the context of Darker than Black? Nowhere, pretty much. It seems to bear no actual relevance to the story as a whole, as it currently stands.

Well, I didn't say Niy would transcend mortality or have no physical body or be infinite or perfect, I just said Niy would be something new, whether Niy actually is Kirsi back from other dimensions and now split off from Yin put inside a new male body or just a 'clone' of Yin from when she was still 'Izanami' (Yin+Kirsi) is a separate issue."

These are the implications the show seems to be heading towards, though.

"Where it bears relevance to the story? Nowhere, unless we want to understand what was actually going on."

And people try to, but it has no real impact on anything as it stands, it is no great relevation nor does it add any new information about the world itself, ergo, useless even if we understand it.

[–] matt_shade 13 years ago

I am pretty sure that in the translation I followed, they clearly said that South America disappeared. It could be an error in translation though, or I remember it incorrectly.

If we go by its wikia, we're both right:
http://darkerthanblack.wikia.com/wiki/Heaven's_Gate

I understand this, it relates more to my last comment how it actually affects these characters.

The Izanami story affects Hei a lot.

Theme = genre. Bad choice of words. Season two wasn't able to maintain the original noir feeling and storytelling of season one.

The storytelling was much the same, I thought, slowly edging into Hei's part of the story.

These are the implications the show seems to be heading towards, though.

Technically this is just an idea of mine based on one or two possible implications. What Niy is is left unknown.

And people try to, but it has no real impact on anything as it stands, it is no great relevation nor does it add any new information about the world itself, ergo, useless even if we understand it.

I would say understanding what Contractors, Dolls and "Izanami" are would add a lot about the world itself.