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Alvaro is not gay. Alvaro is everyone.


Alvaro represents the typical person (meaning someone who is not intersex like Alex or attached like Alex's parents) - the "every man" who is common in stories. The flimmakers understood that a person's gender is more than a individual issue, it impacts how a person interacts with the world. Alvaro, Vando, and the rapists show the possibilities the world interacts with people who do not conform to standard female and male.

Vando, along with Alex's parents, show the interactions of close friends of family with an intersex person. They care for Alex as a person. Her sex is meaningless to them except to the extent it matters to her/him. The rapists are the opposite, caring only about his/her sex and not about Alex as a human being. They show both hatred of intersexuality ("It's gross" said one) and admiration ("No, it's great" said the other).

Alvaro is your standard peer. How he responds to Alex symbolizes how the world responds. At first he's pushed by his/her crude personality ("You just had a wank.") As a transgender person myself, I can attest that gender and sexual variance makes sexuality familiar and comfortable which appears crude to outsiders. Half because Alvaro gets to know Alex and half because they're teenagers falling prey to lust and circumstance, they begin to see each other as real people.

As the everyman, Alvaro has average sexual interests as well, namely heterosexual. (As a non-heterosexual myself - I'm asexual - this is distasteful to me but still true.) It's Alex's job to have a queer sexuality and Alvaro's job to have a standard one. This is the reason for the repetitious "I'll never fall for you" mantra between the two. Queer people are supposed to fall for people either queer or open people. Standard people aren't supposed to fall for queer people. At least in the setup. Alvaro's fall for Alex is the film's destruction of that over-simplicity just as the film's intersex character destroys the simplicity of male and female bodies. It makes the statement that human beings are not so simple, neither in our sex nor our attraction. Intersex (and transgender people as well) bridge male and female, gay and straight. The theme of the film is that we're all together - mainly female and male but with nods to straight, gay, young, old, rural, and urbanites (think of the ending scene on the beach).

Assuaging the simpleton, "Alvaro must be gay. He liked her penis," plenty of straight men who like women with penises. At cross dresser gatherings, there is one "admirer" or "chaser" for every woman. Transexual women prostitutes make as much money as their genetic women counterparts. Alvaro perceived Alex as a girl, not a man, and that's what matters regarding attraction. We're attracted to people, not genitals.

To interpret Alvaro as gay ruins that point. It says that a person would have to be queer to love an intersex person. It allows the audience to say, "I'm not gay, so I would not love Alex. I would accept Alex as my child or childhood friend, but I wouldn't choose him/her." Such a person misses the entire point of the film. Alvaro's father missed the point by labeling him gay. By seeing Alvaro as gay, Ramiro makes Alvaro "other," despite them sharing half their genes (another body allusion) and prevents him loving his son. Ramiro represents the hetersexism (belief that heterosexuality is the superior orientation) (known as "socially constructed sex" in intersex literature). The film places heterosexism as the enemy of human unity. Erika, Ramiro's wife, is a similar symbol. She believes being female is superior to being intersex, even despite Alex's wishes. When Alex says the amputee turtle will live but never be free, she alludes to herself; if her penis is amputated she loses her freedom to be who she wishes. The film yearns to tell us our bodies do not define us, nor does our sexual orientation. In the final scene, Alvaro proves this; he choose to look in Alex's eyes, symbolizing her soul, rather than her penis, her body. If Alvaro were gay, he would do the opposite. Our freedom to choose and our love for each other regardless of bodies defines us. You can only accept that message if you accept that Alvaro symbolizes everyone, not gay people. As a transgender person, symbolized by Alex, I yearn for my "Alvaro" to be everyone, not just a rare gay person.

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very well put.

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nicely written

Oh, Adrian. Adrian always tells the truth.

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FULL OF IT! You pseudo-intellectuals get no sleep!
He ain't heavy, he's my brother, and he simply loves chick with dick action, as I do. Gobble, gobble, slurp, ah, ah, yeah!
PS. your theory is very stupid. By extension we are all everyone, and by that, you writing whatever becomes obsolete.

PS. I am messing with you, because it actually would be more intelligent if you were even more personal, and simply admitted how much you love it in your a r s e. We, "straight" men who love herm/ trans do not need anyone to defend us. Call me gay all you want, I just don't like it sometimes when my wife does :)

PPS. MEANING, you have projected so many hang-ups onto the themes of this lovely film, and you are only gonna appeal to REALLY hung up people. Don't you wanna dance with the liberated (the sexy devil)? Who are you preaching to? The best lesson for a homophobe is a good raping, not some banal, whiney, childish cheese you wrapped in gay plastic here. This is some of the worst preaching to the converted I've seen in a while.

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I was happy to see the deliberate ambiguity in gender and sexuality. The world seems to demand that everything is black and white: is Alvaro gay or straight? Is Alex a boy or girl? The film tries to demonstrate that there is a middle ground - that any shade of grey is as legitimate as black and white.
I felt some sympathy with both Alex and Alvaro as I myself feel like I belong in the grey and it feels difficult for people to comprehend when someone isn't gay or straight and are in fact bi or pansexual.

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Hey, you don't need to be replying, but posting your own. What you said here is far more potent, in (obviously) far fewer words. The very personal part of your message is what it should be all about . . . Haven't you ever noticed that academia is also another way to keep stupid people in great, cushy employment?

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FULL OF IT! You pseudo-intellectuals get no sleep!
He ain't heavy, he's my brother, and he simply loves chick with dick action, as I do. Gobble, gobble, slurp, ah, ah, yeah!
PS. your theory is very stupid. By extension we are all everyone, and by that, you writing whatever becomes obsolete.

PS. I am messing with you, because it actually would be more intelligent if you were even more personal, and simply admitted how much you love it in your a r s e. We, "straight" men who love herm/ trans do not need anyone to defend us. Call me gay all you want, I just don't like it sometimes when my wife does :)

PPS. MEANING, you have projected so many hang-ups onto the themes of this lovely film, and you are only gonna appeal to REALLY hung up people. Don't you wanna dance with the liberated (the sexy devil)? Who are you preaching to? The best lesson for a homophobe is a good raping, not some banal, whiney, childish cheese you wrapped in gay plastic here. This is some of the worst preaching to the converted I've seen in a while.

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I agree, but please don't refer to an intersex person as she/he etc. instead, use the gender neutral pronoun, them/they

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