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does this kind of torture by bullies really happen..?


iam from india...ihave no idea about estonia culture...just curious to know....

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That's like asking 'Is life in India really like in Bollywood movies?'

But to answer your question - although school violence does exist in Estonia (like everywhere else), this film is not based on specific events in Estonian schools. There have been some cruel cases of bullying covered by the local media, but there has never been a school shooting in Estonia. The methods of bullying used in this film - ostracizing, taking/ruining personal belongigs, kicking, even sexual violence - are (unfortunately) quite widespread and nothing specifically to do with Estonia (though as I said before, this kind of thing probably happens in Estonia as well)

Sorry if I seem overly defensive, I just don't want this to turn into another Lilja 4-ever discussion (in case you're not familiar with Lilja 4-ever, it's a film about sex-trafficking, which was written/directed by a Swede, mostly acted by Russians and based on the life of a Lithuanian girl, but since it was filmed in Estonia, people often think it depicts how life really is in Estonia, which is kind of ridiculous and very annoying)


out of all the things i've lost i miss my mind the least

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I can speak for a small area at a previous time, bay area, California between 1996-2001 and while there was a lot of bullying, none to the degree which is portrayed in this film, but certainly enough to make an already insecure teen mad enough to want to react the way they do in the film.

I was curious about what then did it mean when the movie said it was based on real events, is it just bad subtitles for me? the subtitles i have are not professional and i do not speak Estonian.

either way this is what they mean when they call a film haunting. gonna be awhile before i get this one out of my head.

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Well since I do speak Estonian I didn't watch it with subtitles, but "based on real events" could mean based on separate events that happened in different places around the world at different times, events that have just been mashed up together to one single story to achieve the shocking effect you need for these kinds of movies. There doesn't need to be one real-life Kaspar and one Joosep and one Anders, there are probably hundreds, thousands of them, each of them contributing a fragment of their lives to the characters that ended up being portrayed in the film Klass.

http://uudised.err.ee/index.php?0572211
This article (it's in Estonian) says that actors from different youth theatres around Estonia helped Ilmar Raag with the script and the dialogues, which supports my theory that the characters in Klass are a mishmash of different people. And the fact that these kids are from Estonia doesn't necessarily mean they only spoke of things from their own lives. Hell, i've never been bullied, but i could probably write a 10-hour epic from all the bullying i've seen in other films, TV-series, new reports, books - most of which claims that it's been based on real life, so i guess my epic would be "based on real life" by proxy.

So basically, to sum this up - the term "based on real events" has been wildly devalued since it's so overused and to assume that a film is pretty much a documentary and to make overly generalizing assumptions about something (say, a country) because of that movie would be kind of ignorant.

out of all the things i've lost i miss my mind the least

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Unfortunately, bullying is not uncommon in most school environments, but is usually mild in nature in comparison to the torture inflicted on Joosep and Kaspar. (I am talking in general - I am not too knowledgeable when it comes to Estonia in particular, but I doubt that bullying is unusually prevalent in the Nordic and Baltic countries).

I would say that such vicious bullying is extremely unlikely to occur no matter the school setting and the legislation that is in place....some of the aspects that I didn't find realistic:

1) Bullying is usually situational (it does not happen all the time) and there is an element of spontaneity to it...in "The Class", it appeared to be highly premeditated and the students seemed to be obsessed with it - it's as if there was nothing else that they could occupy themselves with and they plotted 24/7. I would be flattered (in a weird kind of way) if I was always the centre of attention and provided meaning to all these students' lives.

2) It's not likely that so many students would be willing to bully (or remain passive bystanders) and the girls would not enjoy it (and would tell a teacher or intervene).

3) Kaspar was initially part of the "inner circle" (that's my impression). It's not likely that a student like him (who does not seem like a geek) would be put on the spot and become a target just for stepping in. He may be teased a bit due to his willingness to protect the shy and quiet student, but all would be forgotten in a day or two (the bullies would not take his decision to intervene as a personal affront). Also, most girlfriends would appreciate Kaspar's compassion and would not break up with him due to his newly acquired "outsider" status.

4) Teachers and parents would not turn a blind eye to hardcore bullying and ringleaders like Anders would be expelled from the school (especially given that he brought a weapon on school property and threatened another student with it).

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i've never witnessed in person any bullying to this sort of scale, however i know it happens. i think they're more likely to change their victims, and i'm not sure they would've gone to the huge lengths to humiliate him in real life as they did in the movie.

i experienced alot of verbal bullying in school because i stand out, but it was rarely physical. it really does affect you bad!

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everything in this film except the rape and cyber bullying happened to me and I'm from Canada.

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I wish people knew both how to handle it and how to get over it. So it doesn't in any way escalate to the extremes as such shown here!

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Short of the physical violence, all of it rang very true. I had situations where it was almost literally the entire class against me, which I think is what sets this movie apart from most bullying movies. Everyone in all of my classes was in on "the joke". The teachers and faculty really have no idea, just like in this movie. The bullies in my school were good students, so, just as the principal in the movie said, why would they torture me? I'm just glad I was never physically bullied, because who knows what would've happened.

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I'm from South America (I lived in two different countries) and this kind of bullying happens everywhere.

During my first years of high school I went to this school were the bullies tortured everyone. If you were a girl you wouldn't get hit but the verbal abuse and the stupid pranks still happened. One of my classmates got a horrible beat once and they had to remove one of his testicles (incredible humiliating). Her mother press charges against the kid who did it and everybody felt sorry for the bully because he had to face court and everybody thought the victim was just a "cry baby". I couldn't believe people's reactions. I hated that school.

The second high school I attended was a little bit better in terms of physical violence but everybody who wasn't popular was treated like *beep*

Except for one or two all the bullies had great grades and usually were the sport stars of the school.

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I wonder which Southamerican country it was.
I went to pre-school until 3° grade of primary school during military dictatorship in Chile, then we got the "transition to democracy" and I finished High School in 99'. I attended a lot of different schools. I've witnessed bullying (at that time, it didn't have that name here), but I never knew of a case of such brutal abuse by a whole class, like the sexual abuse in Klass, that was way too much for me.
I can recall a girl being bullied in 2nd grade, she had special treatment by the teachers, she was older than us, so I guess most od the regular classmates were upset that she was "different" and treated her like an outcast. But we were barely 7 years old. Then I remember, after moving to other city, going back to the same school and some situations. But when I first started in a public school with thousands of kids, then I knew real bullying. A classmate I had, used to threaten the girls she didn't like and forced them to fight in the park outside school. She was the only one hitting, of course.
I was never phisically abused, people where affraid of me because I was punk rocker, but I was always treated like an outcast and I started to like being a misfit when I was like 13.

In a way, I can relate with Kaspar, because I've protected a few girls in high school, but not in a constant basis, just in specific moments. I never had to fight, but with a couple of sentences, I was able to make the dumb biatches leave alone the quiet ones. I was a quiet one too, but I looked way too strange for the average kids, I guess they couldn't deal with a smart, self-marginated teenage girl.

I knew a lot of Jooseps and Anders in my life. It is sad indeed.
Now in Chile, school violence it seems to be worst. We used to fight against the system, now kids fight against each other. You hear in the news about kids being stabbed by schoolmates or youtube videos of girls' gangs who beats one of their 12 years old girl classmate. It's terrible. But the level of constant and intense violence we see in Klass, I hope nobody ever experience that.

Please excuse my terrible redaction, english is not my native language.

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I found the movie to be accurate, and not much exaggerated in terms of the bullying that goes on high school. I went to school in New Jersey, USA

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Yes it happens everywhere. Not in all schools but in any group there is a chance there will be one or two psychopathic bullies and a few that will follow them and idolise them while others stand by and do nothing out of fear. I was bullied in front of a large crowd for over an hour as a teenager in high school, there where at least 6 people in the crowd who I had been friends with since I was six years old and they didn't do anything to help me and laughed while three girls twice my size beat on me, joked about slapping all the mascara off my face, and killing my parents. This was in California.

Now I'm grown. I also have a friend whose son was bullied in a similar way, three kids in his class even acted like they where his friend, invited him to a party and then at the party and 10 kids ambushed him outside and beat him. This happened in New Zealand.

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Yup.

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I witnessed verbal and physical abuse all the time in Latvia. A lot amongst girls too, a couple of times saw a girl being punched by a group of other girls after school, she lost a lot of hair too. The most extreme I witnessed was when bullies broke a poor guy's hand. A guy I knew was bullied quite badly in the parallel class for a long time until he changed classes. At that point his confidence was zero, but luckily he made some friends in the new class and they protected him from the bullies. Was great to see his confidence slowly growing like a flower.
People usually skip a lot of school, or change classes/schools when bullied for a long time, so it doesn't turn out like in the movie.

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