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he straight up murdered the bus driver


he should be in prison

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Samir (Don Cheadle) was doing as his boss Carter (Jeff Daniels) told him to. And only after objecting to the killing of innocent people. However, once his boss was dead, Samir changed the plans so that instead of thirty buses full of innocent people, only one bus driver was killed.

Even still, at the end of the movie, Samir is clear that he feels both wrong and guilty for the deaths of the bus driver and those who dies in the embassy bombing in France. Sometimes lifelong guilty is worse punishment than serving time in jail.

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He knows he murdered the bus driver and he knows it was wrong and he will have to pay for it for the rest of his life. He knows he's never going to get clear of that innocent death. Just what is the OP's point? If you put Samir in prison, he's not going to be able to save other lives, like all the lives that would have been ended if the terrorists had been on thirty buses instead of one.

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"Just what is the OP's point?"

I for one have no idea, because Samir made the point to his handler, that by continuing to run him on this deep cover assignment, innocent people would be killed. Carter however insists that the show must go on, despite the collateral damage which ends up including him.

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Please help me. Were all thirty suicide bombers on that bus, or just four? At first I thought Samir only activated four of the bombers and lied to Omar about the rest, resulting in killing about 25 or so innocent people.


Unc John: We makin' trouble?
Stacy: Yeah
Unc John: What kind?
Stacy:...The forever kind

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"Were all thirty suicide bombers on that bus, or just four?"

Samir switched the bombers' emails and he placed them all on the same bus so all of them died without victims (except for the driver of that one bus).

There were no other victims.

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Thanks. Of course killing the driver was a horrible tragedy, but unavoidable. Samir did the best he could under the circumstances. Ultimately, the blame is with the terrorists.


Unc John: We makin' trouble?
Stacy: Yeah
Unc John: What kind?
Stacy:...The forever kind

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It's "funny" how none of the suicide bombers found it strange that several of them likely had to travel by plane to get on that bus. You would think they would question why there weren't any suicide bombers closer to that bus or why they couldn't blow up another one.

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Exactly

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The way the bus driver responded when the first suicide bomber got up and started screaming "Allahu Akbar" seemed to me as if he was actually meant to be a terrorist himself. Could be just my personal interpretation of course...

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The driver wouldn't have a clue what was going on. He'd never guess what was being yelled or what it signified. He did what a normal driver would do - stopped the bus and turned around to ask what was going on. It's very sad that he had to die. And the irony is that, although Samir put all 30 bombers on the one bus, the world-at-large would not know this fact - the news reports would probably say one bomber killed the driver and many other passengers - the FBI would not reveal the truth so to the world it would look like a successful attack.

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I think this is a viable scenario. Don't remember EXACTLY what the driver said, but his "What's going on?" could be construed to mean "Hey, I thought this bus was MY target! Why is everyone doing this?" No?

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He has so much blood on his hands that imprisonment or anything worse than that wouldn't hurt him as much as he will hurt forever for what he did.

Plus didn't he say that the Quran says to take a life is like taking a thousand to save a life is like saving mankind....

Or something like that.

However, I don't think Samir should have put it on the bus. If he was able to elude Omar knowing he gave all the others fake bombs then he could have done same with the one bus that exploded and just hid the hel* out of the real ones until his mission was completed.

ALSO, he took down two "Osma Bin Ladens" so the U.S. Govt I'm sure blamed the bus on terrorists. Which isn't untrue. If Samir had not done what he did and been there 50 buses would have been blown up opposed to one.

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