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Spoiler about the end - Did he have the right?


We're supposed to empathize and/or sypathize with Willis's character, how he wanted to have a 'real' relationship with his wife again, and then cheer at the end and feel good that he fried all the surrogates, forcing his wife to be real again, but what about all the people who were enjoying their lives like this? Did he really have the right to fry EVERYONES surrogates, to make this decision for BILLIONS of other people, just because HE wasn't happy? Yes, great, he saved the users, but he should have saved the surrogates as well, because imagine what life is going to be like for them now. If everyone was home in bed for years, how will their society survive this? Can you imagine the suicides, people dieing of starvation or because they can no longer get the medicine they need? He didn't save the world, he actually doomed it, all because he wanted his wife to get out of bed.

Think about it.

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Yeah, all those bed ridden zeros would now have to sink or swim. I call that a good thing!!

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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The truth is that in a few months they would have fixed the network and everybody would have gone back to using their surrogates. He didn't actually fix anything, just created a small tech-blip, like when Cloud services go down for a day -- the next day everybody goes back to using them.

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Was thinking about all the surrogate mums and dads driving their kids to school and crashing. Surrogates for kids weren't fully implemented yet.
And then there are the airplane pilots with live passengers. Specialists performing open heart surgery, the list goes on.

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J akkerman has the best argument in either favour, the real people that would have been hurt through the sudden inactivity of the fakes. I reckon he did have the right other than that.

And better than Avatar!

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"surrogates for kids..."
Well, a human brain has not finished 'growing' until about age 25, so that makes sense, as their brain would be changing too fast to keep up with.


That other discussion sounds a lot like the threads from the TV series (two seasons only) REVOLUTION where "something" turned off all the electricity in the entire world. And it was both abrupt and simultaneous. The series began about eight years after that event, and flashbacks occasionally showed 'the lights' going out, and airplanes still flying, then crashing to the ground while their navigation lights (red and green) were still flashing on the way down...

It eventually revealed one woman, one of "the good guys", had the ability to turn the power back on at any time, but doing so would have painfully killed her son within a few weeks. And remember I said she was one of the "good guys". That show lacked any sympathetic characters, but several were very heroic, and it tried too hard to reform some of them, and add in an AI that was more than capable of killing people at will.
The series took place after about 80% of the Earth's human population had died of both direct and consequential results of the complete lack of electricity.

So, did the woman have the right to keep the power off and kill as much as 6 billion people to save her son?



Did Willis have the right?
Could he make a reasonable decision in less than ten seconds?
The military force storming the main control room shot the surrogate before the countdown ended, but it was after Willis's character, linked to that surrogate, had entered "N" allowing the surrogates to all 'fry', and all that happened in less than 10 seconds. I admit the character entered was not expressly shown, but the side view clearly showed the finger pressing some key near the bottom of the keyboard, while the "Y" is close to the top. And, the surrogates all shut down.
Of course he made the choice with his own bias against the surrogates and the people who made them, as his character was defined and shaped in the movie... Besides that, their own creator was about to fry all the surrogates and kill all the operators in the process.
In that movie, far, far less than 80% of the world had surrogates, so while there were casualties from the abrupt deactivation/frying of the surrogates, the world would have gone on. It probably would have done well enough after the clean-up (crashed/wrecked cars, surrogates 'chassis' blocking all sorts of things, etc.) was completed. If the surrogates needed to all be rebuilt, that could have taken much, much longer.

Would the surrogates be rebuilt/reactivated? Probably yes, and as soon as it could be done. The use of surrogates seemed as addictive as Facebook, other social media, and smartphones appears to be. And remember, this movie was made quite a while ago, probably before 1st graders started getting their own smartphones.



The right?
He was the only one remaining who had any choice to make...
That gave him the right. Oh, and remember, doing nothing "in time" was the same as entering "N".
(Snarky comment follows: Just think of all the jobs he created!)

The discussion might be better about whether he made the right choice.

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If the surrogates needed to all be rebuilt, that could have taken much, much longer.
Another thought...
It is probably ironic, but those surrogates presumably had a lot of programming within them, stored in some sort of FLASH memory, which the final ending would probably have wiped out, if they were 'connected' to their network, and even if they were not active with an operator.

The irony is that the ones that were disabled by gunshots would probably not have had their programming wiped out, and salvaging programming and possibly other information from those "shot" surrogates could be key to rebuilding the surrogate force.

just sayin'

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Certainly hope all those surrogate bodies are recyclable, otherwise there's going to be huge problems at the world's rubbish tips.🐭

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