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Operation Barbarossa Was Not A Mistake

posted 9 years ago by bloody-3
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Some of the anti Hitler plotters didn't like him because they claimed he involved Germany in a two front war when it wasn't necessary. This is simply not true. Hitler always claimed the reason for invading the Soviet Union was to prevent Stalin's planned invasion of western Europe - http://codoh.com/library/document/2948/ This has been confirmed by Russian historians Igor Bunich, Mark Solonin and Viktor Suvorov who have had access to Stalin era archives. The code name for the soviet invasion of Germany was Operation Thunderstorm (Operatsia Groza) - http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999
I am amazed at how people blindly accept communist propaganda. This is the same soviet government which for 50 years insisted that the Germans committed the Katyn massacre of Polish officers when they themselves knew it was a communist atrocity. www.katyn.org.au So why should anyone accept anything the USSR government said at face value including being the victim of "unprovoked aggression". I have read The Chief Culprit - Stalin's Grand Design To Start World War 2 by Viktor Suvorov. I highly recommend this book to all serious students of world war 2 history - www.amazon.com/Chief-Culprit-Stalins-Grand-Design/dp/1591148065/

[–] rgibson-20 9 years ago

From your posts on this site, I have to ask: Are you a Hitler supporter, or just ageneral Nazi sympathizer?

[–] sofusjunk 9 years ago

What an idiotic comment.

Thanks for the info OP.

[–] ib011f9545i 9 years ago

It is not an idiotic comment,the guys sources are far right revisionists.

[–] treehuggerjoey 9 years ago

Spare us your comments you moron

[–] ib011f9545i 9 years ago

school holidays still on are they?

[–] treehuggerjoey 9 years ago

You must be sad about the school holidays , seeing as you can't hang around the school playground playing with yourself and smiling at the 7 year olds, you sad little moron ;-)

[–] extremst 9 years ago

Whatever the reasons it was obviously a mistake because the destruction at the Russian front is what was probably most responsible for the 1000 year Reich only lasting 10 years..If Russia was going to invade western Europe it would not have been for many years after the time period when Germany decided to fight a 2 front war. Also Germany had a metric ton of resources tied up at the same time with the "final solution" Hitler made a ton of tactical mistakes from 1941/42 on through the end of the war.

[–] RoyWilliamsbeatsCoachK 8 years ago

It was a mistake with how the went about it. Had they centered their attack on specific goals and had a longterm strategy it could have been successful. Hitler was so stupid and thought the Soviet Union would just collapse after being invaded. Admiral Raeder wanted to take over Egypt, the Suez Canal, and the Middle East, then invade the Soviet Union from the South through the Caucuses. This strategy would have given Germany the oil of the Middle East, plus the oil and resources of theCaucuses. Hitler was a moron when it came to military affairs and continued with attacking head on and making stupid decision after stupid decision from start to finish.

[–] franzkabuki 8 years ago

I'm sure Soviet Union did have designs on an invasion of Europe, there is no sufficient credible evidence that such a move was imminent in 1941. And it doesn't really matter anyway because gaining "Lebensraum" in the East as well as putting an end to Communism had always been Hitler's primary objectives. Invasion of USSR would have taken place regardless of the circumstances.

"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

[–] Syn84 8 years ago

Hitler always claimed the reason for invading the Soviet Union was to prevent Stalin's planned invasion of western Europe

And yet, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that he would invade the Soviet Union even before Stalin came to power.

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[–] bloody-3 7 years ago

Mein Kampf was written in the 1920's. The soviet-nazi war started in 1941. If Hitler still felt that way he never would have signed the non aggression pact with the USSR to begin with -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7737
From a strategic point of view it would have been suicide to let Stalin strike first. The major German supply of oil came from Ploesti in Romania. Don't forget that Germany was still fighting the British Empire because Churchill refused Hitler's generous peace offers -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10192
Therefore if the soviets attacked first and seized the Ploesti oil fields a major fuel supply would be gone and it would have been a disaster.
An in depth and detailed thread on how Operation Barbarossa prevented Operation Thunderstorm -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999
It's easy to be a critic if you simply rely on the MSM/Hollywood for information. Read the best book on the subject by Viktor Suvorov and then decide for yourself. He was a member of soviet military intelligence so he knows what he is writing about. The book is called The Chief Culprit Stalin's Grand Design To Start World War II - www.amazon.com/Chief-Culprit-Stalins-Grand-Design/dp/1591148065/

[–] jwiles1 7 years ago

Without reading the links you posted, I can say with absolute certainty that the invasion of the Soviet Union was a mistake. When you attack a nation, and that nation eventually crushes you, attacking that nation was most definitely a mistake.

[–] marktayloruk (2378) 3 years ago

If they'd had the sense to treat the Russian.people decently...

[–] [deleted] 8 months ago

it was the beginning of the end