They need to pull a Harry Potter and make this series darker...


I believe if they do end up making another of the Narnia films, they should definitely pull a page from the book that the Harry Potter producers used and make the film darker in look and most importantly themes.

If you can remember back 10 years, the first two Potter films were rather Light hearted and childish...just like the past 3 Narnia films have been. If they wanted to actually do well at the box office and have better ratings, they need to abandon the childish aspects of the series and embrace a dark approach.

Whose with me?

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They need to decide which one they are. LWW was light. PC was darker. VotDT was light again.

Bob

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I wouldn't consider Prince Caspian to be the "dark" that i'm referring to. It was maybe darker than the other two but it is far from being the dark of the later Harry Potter, which is what this series needs right now!

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Showing the aftermath of a mass slaughter from a failed siege is pretty dark. I am surprised how much violence is allowed in PG movies. The only thing I can think that prevented it was the lack of blood.

Bob

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But it wasn't a close up...it was just an overhead shot. STILL that is dark but they need to go darker with the Tone of how the movie looks...they need to stop using such bright colors and they need to make things look a little worn down and lived in instead of the right out of the box look.

The producers can really do great things if they looked at Harry Potter but moreso the Lord of the Rings for inspiration.

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The Harry Potter movies got progressively darker because the books got progressively darker. The Narnia books did not follow that pattern. You can't make a movie more dark just for the sake of dramatics if the matetial, in this case the Narnia series, doesn't call for it.

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Hmm... Im not so sure.
It has been pointed out by some people that the main arc books all have a sort of seasonal theme with `The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe` being Winter, Prince Caspian being Spring, Voyage of The Dawntreader` being Summer, `The Silver Chair` being Autumn and `The Last Battle` back to Winter again.
There are dark elements in all the remaining stories which could be drawn on if the film-makers want to do what the OP suggested though I dont think myself that making them dark, just for the sake of making them dark is altogether a good idea.

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Silver Chair and Last Battle have some pretty dark stuff in them.

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Well The Last Battle imho is very dark the kids find out they died in a train crash...Aslan is actually Tash who is Aslan...Narnia was like a fake world wiped out, but to be replaced by abetter world

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Aslan is actually Tash who is Aslan


I am not sure if this is a massive typo, but Aslan and Tash are not the same person.

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from memory, so forgive me if I am wrong,in The Last Battle Aslan talks to the children when they mention Tash and Aslan says something like ...Tash is Aslan

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Wrong and wrong. Tash was never Aslan. The talking donkey Puzzle, tricked by the talking monkey Shift, who worked for the Tash-worshipping Calormenes, to fool other Narnians, so Calormen could take over Narnia again.
Narnia was definitely real, but at the end of The Last Battle, we witness the end of that world, and everyone who was ready to take Asland into their heart were allowed to go to Aslan's Country, which existed during the entire series.

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hmmm - I am 99% certain I am correct - maybe someone with a text searchable version of The Last Battle could prove or not prove this -
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a quick search of some text online... "Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him."

Kind of strange that Aslan would say that IF Tash was evil... or possibly its just a statement about faith and that its better to worship something rather than nothing OR its the intention/purity of that belief

Also we hear that Tash is evil blah blah blah but do we get ANY concrete evidence for this in the series

anyway IMHO TLB is the best Narnia book as its grand in scale

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Where does that leave The Horse and His Boy and The Magician's Nephew?

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Well the source material for the Harry Potter movies (i.e. the Harry Potter books) got progressively darker, which is the reason they did it for the films. I never read the Chronicles of Narnia, so I don't know if they get darker as they go on, but it would be weird for a "light" book to be made dark just for the sake of it.

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"Light" books were made dark for the sake of it, however, the Chronicles of Narnia do get darker the more they progress, probably because they are trying to setup the apocalypse. :)

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But those aren't listed chronologically.

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OP: as already stated, harry potter movies follow the arc of the written story. harry grows up and has to deal with more grown up things. this is reflective of the author's and publisher's realization that keeping the target audience buying required it.

narnia, published in the 1950's, parents paid not kids. the books are prob. like 100pgs or so. if you read the first harry potter book when 1st published, and then read the 1st narnia book, you would prob finish in like a day, if not just one afternoon of steady reading. they are light lit for a much younger audience, with the occasional descriptive passage, or perhaps 2-3 that set your imagination going and leave you thinking about the beauty of a place like narnia.

having said that, book #5 (published order) deals outright with child abuse, child labor, slavery, forced or arranged marriages, equality if not superiority of the feminine over the masculine, not to mention real war, blood, and death or the real possibility at the outside. something even from the first book, aslan's lesson to peter after the battle: clean your enemies blood from your sword. wasn't in the movie, but is in the book. so clearly there is room to have some darker elements, but the overall tone is supposed to be bright. narnia is a MAGIC country, not supposed to have the kind of decay we have, it is a better world than ours, that is the appeal.

they also were not able to adequately convey the shock and disappointment of the children in the second film, when they realize the palace they reigned from was a ruin for over 1000 years and everyone they knew was long dead. there is much in the literary exposition of the books that perhaps could have come over to the screen, but in hopes of attracting the 'epic movie' crowd, was glossed over in favor of disappointing action sequences, which naturally were somewhat 'cotton-candy' style for ratings purposes.

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They just need to tell a good story. Whether it's lighter or darker is of no consequence. When PC didn't perform up to LWW numbers, fans were polled and the consensus they got was that it was too dark (which I disagree with). Because of that, VDT was a bit over corrected. PC was not too dark. It just gave greater detail to elements that were only glossed over in the book (a particular battle where many losses were suffered, spats where tempered flared etc).

IMO even though these are children's books, the majority of the audience will not be children. Many will be adults that read the books as children. Remember that these books are 60-70 years old. They have readers of all ages. So it would be fitting to tell a sophisticated story.

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I think that would work; I mean a PG-13 rated Narnia film doesn't sound like a bad idea, but I could be wrong.

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In accordance to the contract with the Lewis estate, all of them have to be PG.

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Soccerapk wrote> I believe if they do end up making another of the Narnia films, they should definitely pull a page from the book that the Harry Potter producers used and make the film darker in look and most importantly themes.

If you can remember back 10 years, the first two Potter films were rather Light hearted and childish...just like the past 3 Narnia films have been. If they wanted to actually do well at the box office and have better ratings, they need to abandon the childish aspects of the series and embrace a dark approach.

Whose with me?
I am not with you.

What they needed to do was stay true to the books, especially the characters, and stop acting like they know better than C.S. Lewis concerning his own damn work.

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I agree with both you and the OP. You are right in that they should stop trying to do things their own way and should faithfully adapt the books. However, The Silver Chair IS a very dark and creepy story and if it ever does get remade (the original film was awesome) they I wouldn't put it past them to fluff it up and make it more "family friendly" instead of sticking to the darker tone of the source material.

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In my opinion they didn't go "family friendly" with Dawn Treader or even Prince Caspian, they actually made it darker than the novel... Not by much, though.

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how hollywood used to think, at least on occasion: this is a good or even great book, or script. let's make a movie of it, and be as faithful as possible to the source work. (at least SOME of the time)
how hollywood thinks today: who is the target audience? what to we put in the movie to maximize their attendance, hopefully seeing it more than once in first run? what do we excise to avoid anything that might offend them, and incidentally anyone else?
it's a whole different mindset, as evidenced by one of the above posters "they polled the audience" (paraphrase).....what the audience said was more important than the source material. and you can bet the moneymen were polled as well and the decision was made that it had to be, exactly as the OP stated, more like harry potter/LOTR/(fill in epic movie blockbuster here). after re-reading the original novels (to my 6 year old son at bedtime) i seriously doubt that 'horse and his boy' would even get made, as it is a thinly veiled criticism of mohammedanism, and all the cultural 'warts' from the middle east. not to mention last battle the final book where an false idol from this otherworldly equivalent to islam is pitted against aslan. in a world where 'the interview' is nearly banned in fear of offending a fleabitten third world mess of a country like north korea, i would have liked to see, in a cynical sense, what they would do to make these later novels in the series 'acceptable' in a PC world.

karma, you know, do good things, good things happen; do bad things, bad things happen?

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In my opinion most of the books were sad with a mixture of dark/light... with a mystery to them.. desperation & hope.. with hints to how things "could be". There is so much they could do if they Rebooted, starting /w The Magician's Nephew. Kind of have to leave out a Horse and His boy though.. Really it's just filler and introducing Aslan's opposite.

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pretty stupid idea. I'm sick to death of this idea that movies have to be "dark" or "dark" means good. Give it a rest.

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They need to NOT pull a Harry Potter and keep the magic alive should they make future films! Narnia still beats Harry Potter by one more good film. That got boring after Chris Columbus left.

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