50 shades of grey is accepted, but Sucker Punch isn't.
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
Don't try to apply common sense to so-called feminists these days Luke.
shareNobody accepted fifty shades haha
shareExactly! Especially not by feminists. 50 Shades is a book/movie that romanticises rape and abuse. Feminists and most people did not accept it!
shareThen explain the sucess of the books and the movie.
Men aren't fans of that crap, stupid romantic teenage girls thought that was really romance and became fans of that crap, the critics did not accepted it, men did not accepted it, true feminists did not accepted it, but romantic teenage girls did and look what happened: that *beep* became a best selling franchise.
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
Right... I never said that it wasn't some women and teenage girls (and possibly some gay guys, I don't know) that made the books and the movie so popular. You said that feminists accepted it, though, which was what I was disagreeing to. Feminists did not accept 50 Shades because it is incredibly sexist, misogynistic, and promotes unhealthy relationships and romanticises abuse and rape. That's the same reason that most people didn't accept it. Some women and teenage girls got wrapped up in it, hence the amount of success it had, and I think a lot of people probably read the book out of curiosity because of the hype, but the majority of people can't stand it and don't accept it.
shareI've seen many feminists that absolutely love the book and see no misoginy in it.
Some women and teenage girls got wrapped up in it
Twilight itself (extremely flawed and yet enjoyable franchise)
I've seen many feminists that absolutely love the book and see no misoginy in it.
I would argue, Twilight is just as bad as 50 Shades, especially because it was the basis for it. 50 Shades was a Twilight fan fiction, she just changed the names and took out the supernatural elements. Also, Twilight romanticises creepy, abusive relationships too.
It has similarities, but Edward isn't sadistic like Christian Grey.
The romance in twilight actually seems like a romance.
The werewolves were oversexualized, the whole vampire shining thing is ridiculous, but i must give credit to Stephenie Meyer for creating likable characters.
Edward is likable, Bella is bearable, Alice and Rosalie are fan favorites, the rest of the characters aren't annoying, the italian vampires are likable.
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Twilight has many flaws, but it's way better than 50 Shades.
However, I don't think it's fair that people constantly moan about women making 'crap like that' so popular when there are an awful lot of *beep* films and franchises that are popular because of a wide interest in them from men. Look at most action movies. Most of them have ridiculously dumb plots, with uber macho guys and dumb, half naked, women and they're generally targeted more towards men by showing guns, and cool cars, and explosions, and a lot of the time it works and those movies become insanely popular and do so well because of it. Both sexes can be easily drawn in by stupid things marketed towards them but that doesn't mean it's all women or all men that do.
I dislike the whole argument women make crap popular, but it's true.
the rest of the franchises do not degrade women like 50 shades.
Men are just as oversexualized as women, there's always shirtless hunks on movies, Twilight itself oversexualizes werewolves and there's 300 and Spartacus where men are highly oversexualized.
I do think it's a gross generalisation and if women make crap popular then so do men.
I've seen many feminists that absolutely love the book and see no misoginy in it.
Thank you!
shareRethuglican stay at home mom's are not feminist. And that is the type who loved that book.
shareFrom what little I've skimmed of "50 Shades.." it's just textual porn. (The film flopped so we can ignore that.) "50 Shades...." is more like a collection of masturbatory videos from PornHub. While written porn exploits and degrades fewer people, the end product can be just as harmless, or just as odious.
If PornHub videos were all submitted voluntarily, by women with exhibitionist streaks, then I'd say PornHub was no more harmful than "50 Shades.." and all the other books like it.
Is PornHub misogynist? Absolutely. Is "50 Shades.." misogynynistic? I think so.
However, we live in a misogynist society, which still has a great deal of work to become more balanced. After all, women have only had the vote for less than 100 years in most "advanced Western Nations," and no-fault divorces for perhaps a third that long. I think feminists still have a lot of work to do, and that progress will become slower and slower as total equality comes closer, if only because the hypocrisy and issues will be too subtle for many to perceive.
As for "Sucker Punch," I'd just repeat my last paragraph.
Don't give up on the project. Feminism changed me from being a borderline chauvinist, to a man who thinks about women's concerns, and who consciously tries to do the right thing in terms of gender (LGBT) equality
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"If you ain't a marine then you ain't *beep*
Right because feminists who do have children would much rather work at making money and throw their kid into day care than raise their own children to be open minded free thinkers. At home.
shareI have never met a feminist who didn't think 50 Shades was misogynistic garbage.
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