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The 90s spiderman cartoon was better...

posted 15 years ago by Why-soserious
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I haven't really liked any super hero cartoons since the 90s ended with the exception of the Justice League which was amazing because it was done in the vein of the 90s shows.

Sorry for the rant and this is going to run a little long but; I am just not a fan of this show. I just think the shows in the 90s Spiderman, Batman, and X-men being the best; along with Superman, Ninja Turtles, and the countless other short lived marvel cartoons. Those shows were done really well and stayed pretty true to the general stories of the comics. They also took time to develop the heroes and villains, and also featured less known villains, so that the heroes weren't fighting the same 5 dudes all the time. Almost all of the shows in the 90s dealt with darker themes, I know these are cartoons but if some of the darker themes aren't included it doesn't really do the stories justice. I just think the way the storylines were approached is why a lot of the 90s shows lasted as long as they did.

Another issue I have with the newer shows is the animation. This is purely opinion but I just don't like the way shows like Batman the Brave and the Bold, The Batman, and Spectacular Spiderman look so kiddie. I know some of the comics look like that but im just not a fan of those animation styles for these cartoons.

I watched the first season of Spectacular Spiderman and I felt like it moved to fast and didn't develop any of the characters enough. They jumped straight to the symbiote and the insidious six in one season. It just seemed like there wasn't much of a plot. Its like the creators just tried to cover as much as possible as fast as they could. Im assuming this series is based on the comic series of the same name, which is different from the 90s show but it still feels like the show was sped up which is the reason for what I think is a lack of quality.

Sorry for the rant, I know a lot of people like this show, but I had to get that out of my system.

[–] sirress 15 years ago

I have to disagree with you as i actually think the 90's series wasn't that great of quality although i did enjoy it back then. Also the symbiot arc was also done in the first season of the old show and with one less episode in the arc to boot with the insidious 6 being the premier of season 2 so I find it strange that you can complain about them coming so soon in this show when it was practically the same in the 90's show. Also I don't really see how you can say there isn't much of a plot since they have continueing storylines running through evey episode when the 90's show had barely any continuity prior to the second season. Harries drug problem lasted several episodes and was brought up several times in season two, peter trying to land a job with the bugle which ultimately costs him his intern ship with the conners was done over the course of the first three episodes, then we seem him start offically working at the bugle in episode 4, not to mention the bigman having osborn create supervillains to distract spidey for several episodes which eventually leads into the green goblin arc of season one. Thats just a few plotlines I can think of from the first season alone off the top of my head. If you really prefer the 90's show to this one Im not gonna try to say your wrong for liking it since we all like what we like but some of your issues with this show seem to be somewhat faulty as I just pointed out above.

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

What Sirress said.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

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[–] Why-soserious 15 years ago

Well Sirress, I guess I got pwned but I still think the 90s show was a better show I'm probably just biased but hey...

[–] sirress 15 years ago

Thats cool, if everyone liked the same shows and no one disagreed with one another message boards would become pretty boring anyway.

[–] TheSoulFinality 15 years ago

Im just glad the guy explained his reasons in a frickin mature manner. So many people have come on the boards just to say how much they hate the show---without anything to back it up. People have no lives sometimes.

[–] MettaQueensbridgeWarfare 15 years ago

That's what's up! I know a lot of people's opinions are based upon how old they were when they watched these shows. I have friends who loved the 90's Spiderman and X-Men cartoons whereas I despised them mainly bcuz of the horrific animation. Granted, their material was str8 out of the comics which I respected. There's cartoons I loved as a kid that frankly don't stand up to the test of time but there will always be that nostalgic attachment.

Spectacular Spider-man really hit its stride midseason and culminated in the Sinister Six and Venom story arcs. Watching Spidey kick the 6's tail in the symbiote was amazing. It was her clear that these writers should have been hired for Spider-man 3 bcuz they got the Venom story better than I've seen. Peter talking as "we" and "us" and not even realizing he was out fighting was brilliant.

The animation is awesome and the dialogue is sharp, realistic, and witty. I had half the season DVR's but I'm gonna buy the vol 4 DVD which drops today.

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[–] Why-soserious 15 years ago

I think my problem with this show isn't so much character development or the strength of story lines. I don't know if the creators planned on the show lasting very long, I think its already changed networks. I haven't seen any of season 2 yet but I don't know how they plan on hadling some of the heavier storylines, I heard morbius wasn't going to be included in this series, will they handle the point where peter starts tomutate, how will they manage the death of Gwen Stacy? These story lines just seem like they would be awkward with this show.

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

I still can't understand why some people like the 90s cartoon better than this. This is better than any other Spidey show. Even better than the movies. If you have read the comics you will see how genius this show really is. Plus, all the characters are threated with respect and they are all very likeable(except Sally Avril). Some of the supporting cast in the 90s show was just plain annoying and dumb. And villains like Shocker, Rhino, Doc Ock and Vulture was threated like a big joke sometimes and some of them never really got to shine much. The Kingpin was all over the show. He was involved in EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING! Plus, this show has great action sequences and fight scenes, thus is the reason why the animation style is as it is. With this animation style and character designs it's easier to animate for the animators, thus great fight scenes. Spider-Man is suppoused to move fast and he didin't move that fast in the 90s show. Plus I have always thought that Peter Parker and Spider-Man was way too bulky.

But yes it's your opinion and I can't do anything about it but I hope you don't think that it's a fact that the 90s cartoon is better. Because it aint.

And I remember some people keep calling them Insidious Six. Ugh, they're called Sinister Six. The stupid censors at Fox thought the word sinister sounded too evil and replaced it with insidious. Not to mention, Sinister Six is Doc Ock's creation. But of course, Kingpin had to be involved in that. They simply ruined Sinister Six in that show IMO.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

^That pretty much explains it.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

[–] gluband 14 years ago

Kingpin was all over the 90s show, but with Spectacular you have "the Big Man" Tombstone in the exact same role. He's involved with most of the lead villains. Doc Ock being one of them. They really shouldn't do that. They should have learned from the 90s show that we like our independent villains

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 14 years ago

Are you crazy? In the 90s cartoon, Doc Ock was nothing more than Kingpin's lackey after his first appearance. Not to mention he was defeated by a little girl once.

Doc Ock was only involved with Tombstone in the Gang War arc. Which isn't surprising because he was involved in several Gang War arcs in the comic books.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] kingcooger 15 years ago

All I can say is, you need to see season two. I myself enjoyed season one a lot and then was blown away by season two. The plots are much darker and as happy as season one ended, season two ends on a much more melancholy note. The themes handled in season two are much more mature than those in season one. They manage to bring in drug addiction, gambling debts, child abuse, mob wars, revenge, and redemption. I will give you that they may not be able to handle all of the storylines on the show, but if it does well enough there are plans to release straight to dvd movies that would be able to handle what the censors won't allow (and I have heard that the death of Gwen Stacy would probably be handled on one of those if it could not be handled on the show). The Morbius rumor you heard is, as far as I know, untrue. Greg Weisman has expressed interest in bringing Morbius to the show at some point. Your reasons are understandable, but you do have to be patient and let the story unfold. It seems like part of the reason you like the 90's toon better is just the episode count at the moment. Given enough episodes, this could be the definitive non-comic book version of Spiderman. So, like I said to begin with, watch season two and then come back and tell us what you think. If you want to not wait for season two then just go to youtube and look for the user name webslingspiderswing because last I knew they had all the episodes of season two uploaded. The one thing I would ask is that you do not give up on the show yet and watch season two.

[–] gluband 14 years ago

There are ways of watching the "2nd" season online you know. And the reason I put "2nd" in qoutes is that when you watch them all, you realize it was all one season. Plus, the whole set was out for download from Canada. Seems it stayed on one network up north and rolled all 26 as one season. The move to Disney XD being in the works, they didn't show all the episodes. Notice that season 2 has a Christmas episode that if aired correctly would have fallen in line with real time seasons.

I've also noted that I was able to view from Canada the entire season of Wolverine and the X-Men, but here in the states, it is spread into 2 seasons as well. we are getting ripped here, and I haven't even heard of new seasons for these shows yet. I have noted that Disney XD and Nicktoons are showing "new" episodes that I have already seen. they are repeats to the internet savvy viewer.

[–] Brock650 14 years ago

Never even got to season 3, which for me was disappointing. I concur that animation is definitely geared towards getting kids to watch and sell toys, but the storylines and development were much closer to the comics than the 90's spider-man series. In my opinion the 90's series was awful in character development and introduction. I was also not a fan of the x-men series, or tmnt, again they were drastically different storylines from the comics and I did not like the story progression. I have nothing against artistic license mind you, when you do a new series it helps to revamp it for a current audience.

[–] Tien87 15 years ago

Hell no.

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[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

*Facepalm*. Ugh, the animation is great. It's the character designs that bugs you. Animation is the movement of the characters. If you compare the movements to this show and the 90s cartoon, you see that they move alot faster in this show. And they look the way they do in this show so it's easier to animate. Which means better action sequences. I mean, Spider-Man is suppoused to move fast, not as slow as he did in the 90s cartoon. And the animation there did suck. And I think the character looks way more uglier there than in this show.

And dude, this show has a second season too. There might be a season 3,4 and 5 too if we're lucky. And a series wouldn't get cancelled just because the character designs looks bad.

"Truer" to the comics? No way. The Spectacular Spider-Man is WAY more true to the comics than the 90s show. Don't belive me? Watch season 2 and then actually read the comic books. The 90s cartoon screwed up so many things. I mean this show has Gwen Stacy, Sandman, no Goblin split-personality, and Doc Ock is not a lackey to the Kingpin who is just everywhere and appears all the time on the freaking show. I could go on. And the voice casting is way better here too. I can't even look at the 90s show today, it's freaking phatetic compared to this. However that's my opinion.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

Well, SpectacularSpidey once again STOLE my response.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

You're just too slow.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

LOL! Oh, well, at least you save me time.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

[–] paranormaldibhuman 15 years ago

I think you're blinded by nostalgia. The 90's Spidey was actually pretty bad; the episodes all seemed like they were in fast forward, there was heavy censorship, and the character designs were pretty bright and obnoxious. I think the only reason people don't give the new Spidey a chance is because of the art style, which is really a shame, because the episodes themselves are very well written and interesting. The art style isn't even bad - people are just used to seeing every superhero show in a realistic style, and anything different is something they're not used to and are bound to reject based on that alone. Seriously, give it a chance though, it's fabulous.

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[–] kingcooger 15 years ago

As I recall Rhino was initially just a thug in the original Spider-Man comics. The only difference is that he was a foreign thug who was used as a guinea pig for a special suit. Granted, this show does not make him a foreigner, but all the rest is fairly similar. Also, Scorpion has not yet appeared in this series so what are you judging the show on? You really need to just watch this show consecutively and give it a real chance and I am sure you would at least enjoy it.

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[–] sirress 15 years ago

So far this series has done a better job with the villains than the 90's series did. Dock Ock is actually a crime lord here and a real force to be recond with. In the 90's series he was his own boss in the first episode he was in then became the Kingpins lacky afetrwards(didn't even get to be founder of the 6 in that series). Then theres the green goblin who comes across as much more menacing in this series. In the 90's show Norman hardly came off like a ruthless businessman, basically got bullied by the kingpin and when he became the goblin he ended up becoming more of a sympathetic villain due to the split personality. In this series theres no split personality, Normans is evil from the get go and even goes as far to set up his own son in the uncertainty principle.

[–] kingcooger 15 years ago

What about the villain background stories did you not like so far? Saying things like 'it will suck' is not an argument. At least back up your opinions with examples or facts.

[–] mog1138 15 years ago

"And when they do introduce Scorpion, he'll suck."

Whatcha wanna bet this guy's just bitter and wants to troll?

Yeah I was HUGE fan of the Spiderman series back in the day. I remember how the series boasted the "ahead of it's time", innovative "3D Backgrounds", but now they just look terrible. And don't get me started on the whole "Reusing Lizard's Tail swing animation". Not to mention the silly Green Goblin trapped in another dimension bit

To be fair, I actually like the voice actors from the 90s series. I think Christoper Barnes and Jennifer Hale (Black Cat) are just classic.

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[–] Demona994 15 years ago

No, the 90s series sucks. And I say this as someone who's been reading Spider-Man comics for almost thirty years. This is much more faithful to the source material, it's a love letter to Stan Lee/Steve Ditko/John Romita.

[–] mog1138 15 years ago

Bitter, yes. Trolling, no. This modern series sucked.

Well, people might take you more seriously if your posts didn't consist of simply "It sucks because it's bad. It's bad because it sucks." over and over again. From what I can see everyone else has provided SOLID reasons why they like or dislike this series while you're just repeating the same baseless argument over and over. You're coming off as just a troll who doesn't know anything about Spiderman.

[–] Demona994 15 years ago

Yes... the 90s cartoon was better. It was better at getting it wrong.

The 90s cartoon was better at badly done melodrama.

Better at lousy animation.

Better at ham-fisted dialogue

Better at censoring a fight scene.

Better at poor characterization.

Better at shoehorning the Kingpin into stories he didn't belong in.

Better at really lousy voice acting.

Better at shouting "MMMMARRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY JJJJJJJJAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNEEEEEEE!!!!"

Better at inserting the current going ons of lousy 90s comics.

For those of us who prefer something closer to the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko/John Romita Sr days, we'll take "Spectacular"

[–] sirress 15 years ago

"Better at shoehorning the Kingpin into stories he didn't belong in."

I especially concur with this one. Seriously did Kingpin really need to steal dock ocks thunder in the 90's show by creating the sinister er i mean insidious 6. That was Dock Ocks genious at work in the comics which this show fortunately acknowledged. Not to mention that two parter where ock brainwashed spidey into helping him could have been a good way for Ock to claim his true arch villain status but was once again ruined by the fact he was working for the kingpin in that two parter, when working for kingpin didn't even attribute to anything other than showing Dock Ock wasn't acting on his own. Oh and then theres the first black Cat two parter, Dock Ock at first starts off on his own looking for that formula then all of a sudden kingpin shows up, brings Ock to his base and after some fancy talking points Ocks back to being Kingpins lackey for another 2 parter. You can tell I really did not like the kingpins constant stealing of Dock Ocks thunder in that show.

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

I agree with Madoc and Sirress.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

[–] night_lex 15 years ago

I think the characters and action is much better in this one. The stories were much better in the 90s spider-man, but the characters were dull and uninteresting (At least when looking at it now).

I personally don't care how faithful it is to the comics, as it could be very faithful and be horrible, or differ greatly and be fantastic, though this one is more faithful (I think).

Argh, a , is it real or have I gone ?

[–] anakindvader41 15 years ago

I still havent finished with season 2, and so far still prefer the 90's cartoon. I'm not a reader of the comics, but I did love the 90's cartoon.
Anyway, the one thing that keeps bugging me about this series compared to the other is the whole high school angle. The curfew stuff in the first season were absolutely ridiculous. I just like to Spidey better as a college student than some pissy high school nerd. Is he a high school kid in the comics?
Plus the other series had all those crossovers with the X-men, Ironman, Fantastic Four... Those were really fun.

[–] Demona994 15 years ago

He started out as a High School student in the comics, yes.

And crossovers are lame.

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

I made a list that I posted here and on Toonzone explaining WHY the 90s cartoon is phatetic compared to this show.

First of all, the characters looks alot more ugly than Spectacular, and I think they do look good in Spectacular. I mean, some characters are just way too bulky it's not even funny. Especially Peter/Spidey. Plus, some villains had such ridiculous costumes. Especially Doc Ock and Chameleon.

Some terrible voice casting.

The music is bad.

Really bad animation.

But the thing that annoys me the most, Kingpin is involved in EVERYTHING. It's like the writers and producers wanted him to be Spidey's arch enemy. The thing I hated the most was that Doc Ock was Kingpin's lackey all the time. Ock started out nice but then Kingpin comes in and take over the honour of creating the Sinister Six and calls them "Insidious Six" because Fox thought "sinister" sounded too evil. Later on, Doc Ock is a lackey for Kingpin and eventually get's defeated by a 8-year old. And in the Secret Wars, Dr. Doom takes over his empire and later on he is Red Skull's lackey. Poor Ock.

They had Hobgoblin before Green Goblin. And Hobgoblin was basically just a rip off of Green Goblin while Norman had a split-personality. Plus, Norman is way too whiney.

Felicia Hardy(who replaced Gwen Stacy, because we all know that if you have Gwen Stacy you MUST kill her off no matter what) and Mary Jane are just two dumb bimbos. And Anna Watson is just a mean old bitch who hates Peter Parker more than Hitler for no reason and invites guys like The Punisher for tea.

Mediocre characters like Morbius and Madame Web get's way too much screentime while also being screwed up completely.

Morbius sucking plasma instead of blood from his hands. Uhm, then why does he have fangs?

Scorpion being just a regular dumb thug. No Sandman. Hydro Man being a pervert. Electro is Red Skull's son while being Chameleon's half-brother? Kraven a hero. Calypso a scientist. Chameleon doesn't say a word at all while he has a belt that could make him change into anyone and can make him talk like anyone.

Cool characters like Shocker, Vulture and Mysterio doesn't get to shine much at all. Speaking of Vulture, why does he need to steal people's youth for?

Kingpin being everywhere on the show while doing nothing interesting at all.

Stupid portals that the Goblins and Kingpin(it's obvious in this show) uses from a device created by The Spot.

Characters like The Spot, Rocket Racer and Big Wheel get to appear on the show?!

Tombstone ripping off Joker's origin.

Those stupid censors wouldn't let Spidey punch, land on rooftops because it will hurt piegons, he can't crash through windows well, basically he almost can't do ANYTHING.

Aunt May get's hospitalized just for a joke.

Jameson being way too serious.

Liz Allan appearing in what 4 episodes and all we know about her is that she has a crush on Harry.

Madame Web is thrown in in almost every episode of the 3rd season only to make Spidey look dumb just to prepare him for a lame storyline in the series finale.

Spidey becoming a giant spider creature that pukes acid.

Hobgoblin turns into a weak baby just to make Green Goblin look good.

No Betty Brant.

What is up with the red and blue highlights on Venom's costume?

The Six Forgotten Warriors storyline screwing up The Avengers.

Who the hell is Herbert Landon? And why does he become Two-Face? And who the hell is Iceberg? Why is he a rip-off of Mr. Freeze?

SHIELD agents being complete idiots.

Harry Osborn and Randy Roberston being way too annoying.

Stock footage is used in every episode.

The show has Carnage who steals people's lifeform.

The show likes to be true to the comic books when the comic books were stupid. Such as, Norman getting amnesia, Venom turning into an anti-hero, Lizard being a criminal mastermind etc...

I used to like the 90s cartoon but I wasn't always quite happy with it, alot of things that I listed here did annoy me, but I thought a Spidey show couldn't get any better than that. With this show, I was wrong. It can't get any better than this! The only things I don't like on this show is Montana as Shocker and lion-Kraven. And Sally Avril.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] sirress 15 years ago

"But the thing that annoys me the most, Kingpin is involved in EVERYTHING. It's like the writers and producers wanted him to be Spidey's arch enemy. The thing I hated the most was that Doc Ock was Kingpin's lackey all the time. Ock started out nice but then Kingpin comes in and take over the honour of creating the Sinister Six and calls them "Insidious Six" because Fox thought "sinister" sounded too evil. Later on, Doc Ock is a lackey for Kingpin and eventually get's defeated by a 8-year old. And in the Secret Wars, Dr. Doom takes over his empire and later on he is Red Skull's lackey. Poor Ock."

See my earlier post for complete agreeance on this. Oh also Im pretty sure no onle likes Sally Avril, but then that is the point isn't it .

[–] ultraluigi007 15 years ago

Spidey becoming a giant spider creature that pukes acid.

This I 100% agree with because it scared the *beep* out of me into not watching the 90s toon anymore when I was a kid! :(

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

This I 100% agree with because it scared the *beep* out of me into not watching the 90s toon anymore when I was a kid! :(

Oh yes, I was also terrified by it as a child. It was idiotic to do something like this to Spidey in a Spider-Man show. I've always hated it ever since I was a child.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] Phill24 15 years ago

I also hate the whole Man-Spider story line from the 90's show. Were the writters of that show drunk when they came up with that idea? I always cringe everytime i see that damn Spider creature.

[–] wlan 13 years ago

The music is bad.

you gotta be kidding me, 90's series' intro music is a true classic and favorited by millions. it was composed by aerosmith

[–] fuzi11 15 years ago

Well I like the 90's cartoon better (haven't watched it in years) but it was darker and more gown up

this cartoon here is too kiddy for me and somehow all the storylines seem rushed.. but it's not that bad after all... just not dark and epic enough for my taste. Characters stay dead for 2 minutes... yeah... so much suspense
and the villains are either over the top or have no character development at all or just an annoying way to talk ("yo BRO! Hey BRO! Whazzup BRO! BRO BRO BRO!") and Spiderman just talks talks talks nonsense, when he is in his costume...

And because this show is so kiddy right no, we might never see gwen die... and all 4 love interests for peter/Spiderman appearing at the same time, the first storylines mixed with newer storylines (venom) appearing all at once seems so rushed, that there is no time for exploring characterizations (except peter and Gwen)

[–] sirress 15 years ago

I don't think this show is that kiddy at all. Maybe its not as dark as the 90's but its got stuff in it that adults can enjoy and would most likely go over alot of kids heads. Also spider-man is generally not supposed to be a dark character except for the odd story anyway he's supposed to be fun and wisecracking during his battles. Its not like you need dark to have drama.

[–] Phill24 15 years ago

One thing i love about Spectacular is that Spidey can put up a good fight but at the same time he can also take a beating. The Spidey from the 90's show never would have handled the punishment that Spectacular Spidey goes through

Infact in a few episodes of the 90's show Spidey get's hit once and then he's beat or two weak to carry on fighting. But Spidey in Spectacular get's punched alot, chucked through buildings, get's slammed againts walls etc and yet he still get's up and carry's on fighting. All of this punishment probably would have killed the 90's Spidey

[–] SpaceWay2012 15 years ago

^Yep, so true. TSSM shows what Spider-Man can really do. The 90's Spider-Man was kind of like a wimp in a way, when it comes to brutal, violent fighting.

"With great power comes with great - Gullibility!" - The Spectacular Spider-Man

[–] TheSpectacularSpidey 15 years ago

Well I like the 90's cartoon better (haven't watched it in years) but it was darker and more gown up

Spider-Man isin't suppoused to be dark. And the 90s show more grown up? I doubt that. At least Spectacular wants to have fun and not make it super uber serious out of everything.

this cartoon here is too kiddy for me and somehow all the storylines seem rushed.. but it's not that bad after all... just not dark and epic enough for my taste.

Again, Spider-Man isin't suppoused to be a dark superhero. Sure, there are alot of dark stories but Stan Lee wrote these stories to be lighthearted. Not dark and gritty like Batman. Spider-Man is more like the real world with extrodinary things happening. Willem Dafoe described it something like that. It's not dark.

Storylines seems rushed? No, no it's not.

and the villains are either over the top or have no character development at all or just an annoying way to talk ("yo BRO! Hey BRO! Whazzup BRO! BRO BRO BRO!") and Spiderman just talks talks talks nonsense, when he is in his costume...

Over the top? No character development? What are you on? Shocker, Rhino, Vulture and Mysterio were basically just wasted in the 90s cartoon. Kingpin was control in everything. This show pays respect to all of the characters. Even minor characters. I mean, at least not all of them are lackeys to some crimeboss that is involved in everything when he doesn't need to. And they are not over the top. This is what they were like in the comic books.

So, you're annoyed that Peter calls Eddie bro when they almost are real brothers? You were not annoyed at all when Peter screams "MARY JANE!!!!! MARY JAAANE!"? You were not annoyed by Anna Watson whining how much she hates Peter for no goddamned reason? You were not annoyed when Spidey blames himself for everything bad that happens? You were not annoyed when Norman Osborn was whining at Kingpin, Hobgoblin and Spidey? But hey, if you hate the bro talk I don't mind it. I don't like Venom anyway.

And because this show is so kiddy right no, we might never see gwen die... and all 4 love interests for peter/Spiderman appearing at the same time, the first storylines mixed with newer storylines (venom) appearing all at once seems so rushed, that there is no time for exploring characterizations (except peter and Gwen)

It's not kiddy. Again, Spider-Man is suppoused to be a light superhero, not dark. And kids love Spider-Man too and it is a cartoon, of course it might be kiddy. The 90s cartoon was kiddy too.

And the 90s cartoon mixed old and newer storylines, mostly screwing up the old ones and use more from the newer ones. All the characters in this show is threated with respect, all the women in this show have different personalities, they developed Eddie Brock to become Venom in one season, Norman Osborn was developed a couple of episodes before he became the Green Goblin and we weren't sure if he was really behind the Goblin mask until the season 2 finale, we saw Harry's drug problem, they introduced MJ the classic way and she is no longer a dumb bimbo or Kirsten Dunst, she is Stan Lee's and John Romitas MJ here.
Have you even watched season 2? This show has very strong characterizations, not all of them are dumb or work for some crimeboss all the time.

Say my name and I magically appear - Spidey.

[–] TheLastDragonNRY 15 years ago

If people want to complain about this show's art, I'll complain about the 90s show's art. Don't get me wrong, I love that show and I grew up on it. But the thing that annoyed me even more than Spidey not being able to throw punches and everyone firing laser guns instead of guns with bullets (a la Batman: TAS) was that every time a guest hero appeared, their costumes' colors were wrong or just plain ugly.

Captain America - ugly light blue color
The Punisher - light blue costume instead of a black costume. WTF?
Daredevil - couldn't tell if his costume was supposed to be black or red. Make a damn choice!
The Human Torch - his body's color when in flame mode was just ugly. The FF cartoons were colored better.
The Thing - Same thing with his orange hide.
Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman - ugly blue suits. Surprise
The X-Men - Too many mistakes to name since there were about 9 of them.
Blade - Some people were actually confused as to whether or not he was black.

The only hero they got right was Iron Man.

[–] mloston07 15 years ago

It's hard for me to decide...both shows are awesome. I would say that the characterization in Spectacular Spider-man is stronger. Some of the characters in 90's Spider-man seemed very one-dimensional. I actually care about the characters in Spectacular Spider-man...even the villains.

[–] noseytheelf 15 years ago

Too bad the art style sucks. It looks like it was drawn with MS Paint. Just like all new cartoons.

[–] varsas78 15 years ago

Too bad the art style sucks. It looks like it was drawn with MS Paint. Just like all new cartoons.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion; I really disliked the designs for the characters in the 90s series. I think the producers made the right choice by having more consistent and fluid animation.

[–] noseytheelf 15 years ago

Eh, it still looks like it was drawn in MS Paint. I liked the 90s cartoon when I was younger, which doesn't look too great, but something was nice about it. It looked really serious.

[–] varsas78 15 years ago

Clearly it wasn't drawn in MS Paint but it's possible and that goes for the 90s version too. I assume your point is that the art style is simplistic but as I said I like it especially since that choice allows for the superior animation in this series; action sequences are far more dynamic and character animations are not reused as they are in the 90s series.

[–] noseytheelf 15 years ago

How was it clearly NOT drawn in MS paint?

[–] varsas78 15 years ago

How was it clearly NOT drawn in MS paint?

Animators don't use MS Paint; if you think they do then your reasoning must also apply to the 90s show.

[–] noseytheelf 15 years ago

It looks like it was drawn in MS Paint, because the art style is so simple.

[–] varsas78 15 years ago

It looks like it was drawn in MS Paint, because the art style is so simple.

That's what I said in my reply and it's not a problem for me because the dynamic and fluid animation makes up for it.

[–] TheSoulFinality 15 years ago

please---the animation on this show kicks ass. No one even notices how amazing the backdrop animation or how detailed the world's atmosphere is.

[–] nebka23 14 years ago

For me it is
"Spider-Man" (1967) i remember watching this as a small child and i still pull out the dvds and watch them from time to time.
For it's time the animation was great.