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Questions NOT Raised by the Program

posted 17 years ago by zachary_the_lionhearted
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Honestly, I'd kind of like to believe some of this... it excites me.

BUT. I want to be pretty skeptical. Buying into anything without other research would be pretty imprudent. Today and more this week I anticipate seeing what other scholarly sources say about these findings.

Looking for plot holes, if you will, I thought of several questions not raised. The program didn't address which ossuaries were beside each other in the tomb. One diagram made it look live as many as four were in one area together. If, for example, the Jesus ossuary was next to the Miriamne ossuary it would have been another very bold piece of evidence... but they did not mention it.

Additionally, they did not attempt to find DNA evidence proving Jesus' relationship to Maria (which they presumed they could have with Mariamne) and they did not suggest Mariamne could have been the wife of any of the other men in the tomb.

Like I said, I found the program to be very intriguing, but I was wondering if anyone else had these or other questions after watching it.

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[–] destuin 17 years ago

Im still going over it in my head. Though I have some counter claims to post critical look after the show. One of the scientist made a claim that not all the statitistics where fully known. Well we use a law of statistics in everything. So in america if you walk into a mall and call for john 1 in 25 people will answer. the ratio is 1:25. Its fully impossiable to know each every person name. So we take groups of people prefrably around 1000 and those 1000 people should repesent every group of thousand people avaiable. So according to scientist every medical, religous, political polls are wrong. That is a bold claim.

The other ted coppel attacked the dramaizations. How does that disprove this theory of being yeshoua tomb. Its inrelvant and done in most documentrys on history and discovery channels even religous shows.

[–] xylonian-1 17 years ago

"Like I said, I found the program to be very intriguing, but I was wondering if anyone else had these or other questions after watching it."

Many other questions....didn't get to see 100% of it.

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[–] david-3369 17 years ago

Additionally, they did not attempt to find DNA evidence proving Jesus' relationship to Maria (which they presumed they could have with Mariamne) and they did not suggest Mariamne could have been the wife of any of the other men in the tomb.

There are many more tests that "could have" been conducted IF they were not SHUT DOWN by the religious institutions who desparately wanted to sweer this story under the carpet.

Some day, the whole world will be exposed to the numerous LIES that religious leaders are still defending. But "religion" has become such an enormously successful BUSINESS that these leaders have access to billions of dollars to help defend their fear-based teachings.

I'm not referring to the inspiring "teachings of Jesus"... I'm talking about "the story about Jesus" that was cleverly pieced together by the early founders of these religious cults who wanted to gain control over the minds of the masses... and obviously succeeded.

But EVERYTHING changes over time, and these deceptions will not last much longer!

[–] xylonian-1 17 years ago

One of the issues I had was....I was just very suprised that no oral or written tradition existed with regards to the task of building the tomb, and collecting & burying the "Jesus Family".

It must have been a task when one looks at what might be involved, including just the possible risk of asking for some of the bodies....James for instance.

Also this program touched on Peter (Simon ben Jonah) was buried in the same area which appeared to be a possible 'Christian burial section'.

As Peter was supposed to have died in Rome, imagine what was involved in taking him 'back home' for burial. Again I would imagine just asking for the body would be risky. (????) I'm just surprised that the record of this trip didn't become an oral tradition that was later written down....

It must be noted that I have never been accused of being 'the sharpest tool in the shed' , and would appreciate comments to correct any of what I reply with.

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[–] Aroche07 17 years ago

It's a fact that the earliest unchanged gospels existed from 70AD, and that they contained the resurrection. So why, if they were in existance only 40 years after the crucifixion, would the tomb not have been exposed had it been what Jacobovici claims it is- IN A CITY UNDER ROMAN MARTIAL LAW?
There would have been endless Roman literature and propaganda about it. Jesus' mother died in 48AD in Ephesus, so how would they have gotten her body- if they had it- all the way back to Jerusalem and bury it? Then, other people continue to die and be put in this tomb without either the Romans or the Jews knowing about it?

Jacobovici=Fraud

[–] go-yankees 17 years ago

Once again, you're argument centers around "one day, everything I say will be proven right. Just wait." And you are calling me a fool when I call you out on circumstantial evidence?

"Just you wait!!! One day I will be shown to be right and all of you will be shown to be fools. I just know it!!!"

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[–] Angel-of-Isis 17 years ago

Additionally, they did not attempt to find DNA evidence proving Jesus' relationship to Maria (which they presumed they could have with Mariamne) and they did not suggest Mariamne could have been the wife of any of the other men in the tomb.
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That's funny. I just put up the very same question on the da Vinci boards.
Why did they only test the presumed JC's and MM's bones for DNA?
Why not all of them - to establish that this was indeed a family?
And - if they couldn't afford to DNA test all of them - surely they could have mentioned this?
This looks pretty "angled" in my POW.

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[–] Aroche07 17 years ago

Yeah- that's the same as saying that James Cameron didn't have the money to finish the testing. Ouch!

They knew the odds were in their favor that the two ossuaries weren't relsted. Can't believe they didn't think people would question their tactics.

[–] Angel-of-Isis 17 years ago

It was a sloppy job. I really, really demand a part 2, where the viewers can ask their questions. Why not right here on IMDb?
Nah...that would be too scary, since I see some very intelligent questions being raised.

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[–] sayhellokitty 17 years ago

Just posted this on another thread. I believe that when asked why they did not do more DNA testing, the filmmakers said that they had "done their job as journalists."

The documentary makers are crazy, but not stupid. They knew two things: they had two ossuaries with variants of the name Mary (one Greek, one Latin) on them. They were probably also aware that the DNA they were working with was fairly degraded and not likely to produce conclusive results, merely suggestive results. So there were three possibilities from testing one of the Marys and the Jesus bone fragments. They could easily cover themselves with any of the results.

1) The DNA would not be able to be tested or would yield inconclusive results. This is perhaps the best situation because it allows the filmmakers to spin any crazy theory they want, and no DNA evidence will come back to haunt them.

2) The DNA results would suggest a genetic relationship, between Mary and Jesus, probably not conclusive enough to definitely rule out a mother-son relationship, and they could argue that the Mary in that ossuary is the mother of Jesus, and the other untested Mary is Mary Magdalene. (No, they do not care about the scripture that says Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and therefore shouldn't be genetically related to anyone.)

3) The DNA would suggest no genetic relationship (which is what happened) and they used that result to argue a marital relationship between Jesus and Mary.

The DNA that was tested was mitochondrial DNA, which can show only maternal relationships. The only thing the DNA can safely conclude is that these two individuals were not related through their mother. They could be cousins through a father, half-siblings through a father, in-laws, master and servant, or not related at all. It does not prove marriage.

What the filmmakers (wisely?) did not do is to test all of the ossuaries for possible genetic relationships. That would be problematic. What if the results showed almost no genetic reltionhips? That would kind of rule out the theory that this is a family tomb, and not some kind of community tomb. And that would rule out the point of the documentary and a few million dollars for them.

[–] Angel-of-Isis 17 years ago

Recognised for his work in both human and animal paleopathology, Don Brothwell has interests in the broad field of the archaeological sciences, but particularly in human palaeoecology (which includes environmental archaeology).
(wikipedia)

He has a team who reconstruct faces. Not too long ago the team was in Egypt to reconstruct the mysterious "Lady X" in tomb KV 35 (Kings Valley). Some, as for instance Joann Fletcher, have claimed these remains to be those of Queen Nefertiti. There is a bust - that famous one - in the Altes Museum, Berlin.

This would of course prove absolutely nothing about the identity of the bodies in "Jesus's tomb", but we may at least get a look at what these people looked like. Family resemblance etc...now that the tombsters managed to avoid DNA testing of all of them...

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[–] god-174 16 years ago

Israel actually sealed the TOMB of JESUS? It could be the TOMB OF JESUS and they SEALED? OMG... This is totally stupid... think guys, just think... You can't actually believe on this documentary... its bs. The only reason to SEAL the biggest discovery in history of man kind, is to HIDE that the discovery is a hoax.

I will never believe on this documentary until they OPEN the SEAL and send at least 50 scientists members of all kinds of religions to investigate the place and release a full document about what they think of the veracity of the tomb.

You must be joking if you believe on a documentary made by the "enemies" of Christian-ism. Jews and Muslins and Buddists are not Christians and should be prohibited to do documentaries about it.

A few Questions:

1- This is the biggest discovery in history of man kind, and I am sure to be the first big discovery to be completely SEALED by ISRAEL after one single crew investigated. They didn't seal Pharaoh, or the Pyramids, or any other gigantic discovery, but this one was sealed by the Israeli government.

2- Isn't coincidence that the only crew to investigate is the same crew of the documentary? And basing on the documentary, no one else will ever put their foot inside the tomb again. Wow... Amazing...

3- I am astonished that the same people who found the Scrolls of Judas, now made a second gigantic discovery, being the tomb of Jesus. These people are SO lucky to make TWO gigantic discoveries in a life time, what will they find [coff build coff!] next?

4- This documentary has one objective: Destroy Christian-ism. How can people allow [Jews/any other religion] to do this kind of documentary? Wanting or not, it is in history books that Jews and Christians were huge religious enemies. Today we are no longer enemies, but... seriously... This is like Republicans vs Democrats, they both have different ideals and will never change.

5- Biggest discovery in history of man kind, and no one cares? No one wants NOR CAN go there investigate? Why is that? Isn't odd to you?

[–] daryl-b-t 12 years ago

Okay this is a really old thread but they didn't test other DNA because the other boxes had nothing left inside, apparently they looked to have been cleaned. Only the two boxes they tested were original with forensic material available.

This was brought up in the follow up debate to the documentary.