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trusting a woman in a movie is easy


we can all know 1000% that consuela's love is true in the movie.
it is so easy to see, and in real life relationships it is so easy to
want to believe to want to trust.

But who wants to get their guts ripped out? Who that is old wants
to take a chance that their last spark of life will be as some young
woman dumps you. ugh, might as well be dead.

consuelo means comfort in Spanish, and David's character sure needed comfort,
but once he trusts consuelo if she lets him down he is old, dead, and will not
recover from it. he barely is able to keep going after they break up.

then she has to need something from him, but that something
may be temporary, or maybe not, but at least it is real and not
so easily replaced.



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I agree. His early skepticism and caution were completely warranted. At the same time, I did not think he was at all jusified in following her to check up on her and continuing his relationship with the older lady.

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> I did not think he was at all jusified in following her to check up on her and continuing his relationship with the older lady.

Our minds are so manipulated by the movies, romantic ideals - which are used by some groups to take advantage of people who buy into them ... say for example the Catholic Church, Religion and homosexuality ... wherever there is an ideal there is someone ready to exploit the hopeful believer. I think it is quite natural for people when they are unsure, and there are some that are sure, but very few of us, ... to maintain insurance or alternate channels of satisfaction and hope ... that is most likely completely natural, and justifiable.

Think about that the more you trust someone, the more you base your actions on their trust, and your future. The more you trust, the more you extend, the more risk you undertake. The exclusive pair bond in society is seductive but mathematically it is not a stable equilibrium, except in rare cases. Think about it, most couples want to have children and shoot for that exclusive romantic ideal, in the context of meeting their own needs ... and now look what happens to the vast majority of marriages, children and families.

Maybe in another hundred or two hundred years people will start to recognize how insulated and manipulated we are in how we model the world, and how little we, or reality, has to do with that modeling.

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At the end of the day, we're each responsible for our own actions. We're sentient beings, not instinct driven creatures, solely driven by instinct and biological urges. Monogamy isn't some unachievable ideal, and neither is marriage. Divorce rates are so high because people don't take the committment and responsibility seriously. We marry too quickly, without making the effort to discover who our partner truly is, and whether we are truly compatible for the long-term, and not just the next few years. People cheat because they never learned self-control, or because they're simply selfish and want to have their cake and eat it, too. Too many people choose self-gratification over being a decent person. The problem isn't with the institution of marriage or monogamy, it's with our childish way of thinking.

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> We're sentient beings, not instinct driven creatures, solely driven by instinct and biological urges.

You really have not studied neurology, neuroscience or psychology at all. In my opinion one of the biggest problems, in fact the critical problem of the human race and society, the interactions of individuals and groups and nations is that we have ficticious modeling of the world, mostly around what we really are. Since we do not know we have used the Bible and our arrogance to drive a system that does not work that relies on scarcity, war, violence and slavery.

But not only do you lack perspective on the big-picture, you have the individual picture distorted too. Of course people take marriage and commitment responsibly, but the incentives are for people to behave the way they do. People buy into the new way of looking at things because they are convinced by unbiquitous brainwashing or an errorneous reality, a reality that helps the status quo maintain itself ... and the big way the status quo maintains itself is to pressure people by making them feeling inadequate, insecure, weak, alonem etc... Not only that but we out and out kill people. Look at our food industry.

We implant the ideas that McDonalds is a more trusted entity than our parents or our friends, that we can always go to Ronald for comfort, as long as we pay the bill.

If we want to think differently it means we have to start to find out how we are being so easily manipulated, and it is because psychology, disinformation, brainwashing, works when it is done right. If you get enough people in the snare they pull the rest in. We are herd animals in a sense, we are very sensitive to what others are doing.

It is natural for an islolated person who thinks a certain way to protect themselves by maintaining an outside relationship. It bothers on spouse that another needs to have insurance in case they leave them. Saving themselves from devastation in case things go bad or maintaining an outside objective contact in case of trouble.


The thing is that most people are not honest about what they think or do, so it seems for the hopeless romantic that people are behaving poorly when in fact they just do not know what else to do and are just trying to protect themselves. Of course there are just mean people who cheat as a matter of course, womanizers, and there are sadists and jerks who behave bad because they are fascinated with evil and how powerful it is and solid compared to the risk and uneasiness of good. It's much easier to be childish because there are simply more children and people who will lower themselves to the child level.

Another thing ... read about game theory ... the prisoner's dilemma specifically, you might never see the world the same again .. unfortunately.

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Interesting thoughts, but I'm not sure that all those things are directly related to fidelity in relationships. A person has no control over whether they're attracted to people other than their partners, but they do have complete control over whether they act on that attraction. That's what I was refering to when I said that we're not solely governed by impulse and instinct. Children are, but adults should not be. People make a conscious choice, between honoring their committment to their partner, or gratifying their own selfish wants. If people truly valued their relationships/marriages, the wrong choices wouldn't be made so often. If people truly took marriages seriously, they wouldn't sabotage them so casually, as they often do.

And no, I'm not a victim of a broken marriage, I'm just speaking about what I've observed. People my age (24) approach marriage so casually, that I fully expect divorce rates to continue to climb in the coming years. It's basically just a lot of children (I'm referring more to a lack of emotional maturity, than age) playing house, without any idea of how to handle things when the initial strong feelings of love and passion inevitably transform into something else. Thats not my definition of taking marriage seriously.

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Trusting women in real life is easy. More than half my friends are women, and generally much more honest than the men I know. But straight men somehow get upset with how A Woman betrayed them. I always laugh. As why did they engage with said Woman? I sincerely doubt it was because of how their integrity looked in skirt. Ha ha! And I’ve never heard of straight man letting another man into their life just on how they looked in a suit. Like they go and hire an employee because he has great pecs. Ha! I’m sure if they did act like that they’d find the same level of betrayal or even more in men.

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Isn't it ironic that Consuelo trusted David fully, even though he was a total cad (at least initially), but he didn't trust her at all. Of course, upon closer analysis, it was David's own self-doubt that held him back.

I think we've been conditioned in movies (and in life, for that matter) to expect the worst of people and to prepare for betrayal. Thankfully, it didn't happen here.

Did you believe Consuelo when she said she was going dancing with her brother? I had serious doubts. Not that I would have stalked her to find out.

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Yeah but he's also way older and wiser so should ... maybe have known better? Just sayin'

I was surprised none of the comments pointed that out. I mean come on lol. Age-distance relationships can work sometimes but there are a lot of things working against it too, such as being in different places in each's own life etc... So there's a chance one or the other may end up not as invested as they were initially, even it was genuine. Bc, again, different places in life. No harm no foul, just the facts

At least he thought of this at the end though, he wasn't hating on her for it

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