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As a breast cancer survivor, I'm offended


I didn't like this movie anyway, but when it got to the part where Consuela tells David that she has breast cancer, I wanted to scream. Let me tell you why. 1)Consuela looks like she is very sick -- pale, dark circles under her eyes. This is unlikely. She would look like that, perhaps, after a few chemo treatments, but not before she's even had surgery. 2)She says she found the lump a month ago and her surgery is scheduled in 2 weeks. Then, when the date of the surgery is moved up, a dour Dr. Kapesh (son of David) says that the hurry to operate is not a good sign. Bull****!! It is usual procedure to operate as soon as possible. 3)After surgery, Dr. Dour says that David can visit her because she is now "out of intensive care." When I had my complete mastectomy 15 years ago, I was out of the hospital in 24 hours -- it was just about the easiest surgery I ever underwent. 4) I cringed when the movie ends with her prepared to die. She wouldn't even have the results of whether or not lymph nodes were involved, and how many. That would take probably a week to find out. The message this gives to women with a diagnosis of breast cancer is "Sorry, not only are you going to be horribly deformed (I opted not to have reconstructive surgery, but that is an option, and very commonly chosen.), but you will probably die, and from the mood of this excruciatingly depressing movie, it will be soon.

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It's gratifying to know your experience with breast cancer and the subsequent surgery had such a positive outcome. You must be aware, however, that your experience is not necessarily representative.

In the movie, when Consuela tells David she found a lump, she doesn't say she found it in her breast: she says she found it under her arm, which suggests lymph node involvement. It's likely that she has already had some diagnostic procedures performed that have caused her to believe that she does not have a high likelihood of a good long-term prognosis. So, it's possible that her ill appearance is attributable to her cancer having progressed to a degree that other systems were involved, and/or that she's so anxious about it that she's not eating and sleeping well. This may also be the reason she went to the ICU post surgery (the surgery involved more than removal of her breast, i.e., involvement of other organ systems).

I'm not sure I can agree that the message of this movie gives to women diagnosed with breast cancer is that they will be horribly deformed and then die; I believe the message to all of us is that our futures don't always unfold the way we think they will (i.e., just because David is 30-odd years older than Consuela doesn't mean he will die first). David worries about the relationship ending because she'll meet someone younger. Consuela talks about places her parents (and she and David) have talked about going but never went.

I think the message is that we should cherish the time we are given with the people we care about.

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I agree with the OP. If all of what you just wrote above me is true ( removal of internal organs, recent treatments etc. ) it should have been covered in a few sentances. Maybe during the Doctor / son visit.

It could absolutely disuade someone from fighting for their life. And in this day and age, not dealing with Cancer and not fighting to survive is a very, very serious issue.





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What you are saying is that a movie, a drama to begin with - and drama means overly emphasized emotions- will dictate how you'd react to a diagnosis of cancer?
Get real.
There is a big difference between art and life and this was definitely art. And to make a point in the drama a writer or a director may decide to "dramatize" reality.
If we were to follow your line of thought we'd have a disclaimer on all movies claiming that "this movie is not only formatted for your TV but also formatted for your perception of reality".
Why offended? Get off the high horse, it may not be a precise rendition of cancer survival but if you want someting more aligned with life choose a documentary next time.

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I am all for suspension of disbelief, but I have to agree with the OP on this one. This is a drama about real people in real situations, not a fantasy or an allegory, so the depiction should have been clearer and more realistic. My mother had a mastectomy over 40 years ago and a recurrence since then, but she is 80 now, still going strong and cancer free.

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I think it's silly to suggest that ANY movie could determine whether or not a woman would seek medical treatment for cancer or choose death. I think that statement is very condescending to women, to suggest that they are so naive or impressionable that they would choose death instead of treatment, and based solely on a movie... I think genremedia and the OP are using personal experience to criticize aspects of this movie but in the real "Medical World" every case is different and no two people will experience the same Symptoms, results, emotional problems, recovery time, etc. It was quite unfair to trash the movie because it didn't line up with YOUR particular knowledge, experience or situation...

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1) Consuela doesn't look sick to me--she looks very unhappy, as though she's been crying for a week or two and hasn't put on make-up. It didn't cross my mind that she looked cancerous. The idea that someone like her just naturally looks perfectly drop-dead gorgeous, or else she's ill, is silly.

2) She tells *David* she's scheduled in 2 weeks. She's probably lying. After all, she doesn't tell him when she does go in.

3) Maybe I'm thick, but I didn't think she was necessarily dying at the end. I haven't read the book, but the "dying animal" of the title is obviously David.

I do think some people get their ideas, including health ideas, from the movies. I'm always annoyed when, in a movie, someone is brought up from a pond, given half a minute of CPR, and then: "he's gone." I don't doubt that many people, particularly kids, have died because professional CPR folks weren't available and those who were available got their CPR information at the movies.

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I agree with you 100%.

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I agree with you phase... IMO, Consuela appeared sleep deprived and beaten by the turn of events in her life. It was more like she had already begun to mourn her life. I think she was having an even harder time coming to terms with telling David about her illness. In the end, it is he that she ran back to. She didn't go and tell a boyfriend she had since her relationship with David, she went to HIM. I do not think they were actually trying to make her look sick, just vulnerable. David spent all his time thinking of ways to downplay his feelings for her by assuming she would outgrow him and move on, also by purposefully missing so many important events (her graduation party, Christmas dinner, etc). It was ironic that she came back, ill and possibly dying. He could possibly outlive her. He wasted all that time denying his love, denying her. I think this is the only purpose her having cancer served in this film.



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I think the OP is way out-of-bounds....why are you so offended by a MOVIE for goodness sake. It is just a movie. There are things done for dramatic effect....this is fiction. This is not a documentary or training film for health providers and social workers or whatever. Please, move on. If you do not like the movie..well fine....but your bitter reaction and taking offense is way, way over the top.

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First of all, everyone wishes you well. And really us all well. I don't feel the movie anymore gives the message you mention, than it does that we're all going to be alone and sad when we're David's age. I completely disagree that a film has to have a plot that somehow shows the best of a situation, or captures the majority result of a situation. Films can tell one story. Your life is one story. your neighbor's life is another. Neither of them are lies, just different. And if all your neighbor's stories are the same except for one, that one person's story is no more or less real than the rest of yours; it's just different.

This film isn't giving a message; just telling a story. Just because it's not your own doesn't mean it's not realistic. And I'm glad it's not your own. Now everybody, group hug! Ok?




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"First of all, everyone wishes you well."

Well, apparently not. A few people wrote very offensive responses to toni. What jerks.

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Yeah I suppose try and block those types of people from my thoughts. All decent people wish her, and most people, well.




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geez, are you such a goody-two shoes on EVERY board ??

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i have to agree with all those *against* the OP.

it's somewhat arrogant to project your own experiences to a story on something similar that ANOTHER human being is going through.


that said, i can empathise with her that, the more one *knows* about something, the more difficult it is to suspend disbelief to enjoy a movie about it.


i will say this though, as per the narrative, "Consuela knows she is beautiful" - and removing her breast will take away from this, in other words, taking away a BIG part of her life; "almost death" if you will.

Kepesh didn't believe the relationship would work because of the age difference, he lost his self-confidence in being a "MAN" (read 'woman conqueror').

likewise, Consuela (to me) was facing fears of being a lesser woman, losing her beauty, not to mention what she perceives to be David's attraction to her ("you have the most beautiful breasts i have ever seen").

in the end, i take the title 'Elegy' to hint at them (David & Consuela) finally coming together as they bid farewell to their age & beauty respectively.



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People just LOVE to feel offended. it makes them feel important or something. or that they stand for a cause of something of importance. While in fact, they are not worth of anything other than their stupid over-sensitive shallow opinion.

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oh poor you!

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This film may not represent your experience, but this is a very personal story for the writer, whose wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and then was dead a month later. My guess is that he knows for whence he speaks.

Also, remember that this is a fiction film, which always necessitates some streamlining of details and timelines to suit the plot beats.

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A little blunt, but exactly my sentiment towards the OP

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as many have said before me, your experience might not be representative. Also, to comment on your points.

1) Consuela looks very sick. Yeah, she looks very sick but who ever said it was because of the cancer? Ever thought that the dark circles under her eyes might've been from a lack of sleep? It wouldn't be abnormal that a person diagnosed with something as terrible as cancer would hardly sleep or eat at all.

2) yeah, she says. Who's to say that she's telling the truth. I personally thought she told David that it's in two weeks, because she didn't want him to be there. She did refuse his offer to come with her to the hospital. I think we can easily assume that she was lying.

3) yeah, you were out of the hospital in 24 hours (and I honestly must say that I'm very happy for you) but yet again that's not representative. You don't know if there were complications, if there had to be further tests, perhaps she wasn't responding well to the procedure, whatever. There can be so many reasons why she's still in the hospital. My grandfather was also diagnosed with cancer and ended up staying at least twice as long as the doctors planned.

4) prepared to die? No one ever said anything about her dying. She was depressed and felt ugly, but there were no indications of her dying.





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well maybe her case was different since it was too late when she discovered...

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For goodness sake! Please mark these posts as SPOILERS. Jesus.

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