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Here's the issue with the DCEU Movies


Every generation up to this point has had their version of a DCEU super hero/villain:

1960's - Batman (Adam West), Superman (Steve Reeves..I know he was the late 50's but people around remembered him), Joker (Cesar Romero)
1980's - Batman (Michael Keaton), Superman (Christopher Reeve), Joker (Jack Nicholson)
2000's - Batman (Christian Bale), Superman (Brandon Routh..yes it wasn't that great but you'll see where I'm going), Joker (Heath Ledger)

Every 20 years or so there was a cycle where a new generation has an actor they identify as the hero/villain..then suddenly 4 years after The Dark Knight Rises they resurrect the DC Universe and try to use different people that everyone had already had their mindset locked into in order to try and capitalize on the Marvel phenomenon.

It was too early...while Wonder Woman (who hadn't had anyone identifiable playing her since Lynda Carter in the 70's) was a breath of fresh air, and Superman (MOS was way better than Superman Returns and I can identify Henry Cavill as this generation's Superman) looks like how he should be, you shoved all new actors in roles that most people remember from the last 10 years playing them.

I watch Batman vs Superman...I see Christian Bale. I watch Suicide Squad..I see Heath Ledger....not that Ledger could play the Joker anymore, but I've come to identify with Bale and Ledger as those two roles because it's still recent in my mind.

Imagine if 6 years after Deathly Hallows part 2 they announce they are rebooting the Harry Potter series with all new actors....or Marvel says they are starting over and redoing every movie from Iron Man forward with new actors...the fan base would riot. Yes I know that Spider-man has been done three times in the last 17 years by three different actors, but it took til the third iteration to get it right, meaning they should have waited until 2017 to have the latest incarnation instead of the Andrew Garfield version.

We saw how that failed in the 1990's with Val Kilmer and George Clooney playing Batman....I watched those movies yet still Michael Keaton was my Batman at the time because that's who I saw playing him based on the first two movies.

Movie studios should wait to reboot a series until a new generation is around to identify with the person playing those roles, not pigeonhole some new actor a few years after someone was in the role that is already identified by a generation as being that character. Yet we all know they are just in it for the money.

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Your theory falls apart when you consider that affleck was the best part or batman vs superman. In justice league he sucked though.

I believe that it’s just that these films aren’t very good. Batman vs superman was ok once we got the ultimate cut, but even then it wasn’t great. Justice league sucked from start to finish. The love child of two directors with very styles was never going to work. Especially when entire plots were removed that left reasons for performances, most notably of affleck batman, disjointed and in some ways incoherent.

That being said, you are not wrong. There should be much more time between reboots/reimaginings. Spider-Man is the worst offender for that. Sony when from spider man 4 to scraping it for the amazing Spider-Man. Then went from the amazing Spider-Man 3 to scraping that for homecoming. It’s ridiculous. It’s like Sony are run by kids with ADD.

I look forward the time when reboots stop being a thing, or at least not a go to at pitch meetings.

In a Hollywood office somewhere, two men sit throwing ideas back and forth...

“It’s like Star Wars, but with a Miami vice feel”

“Screw it! Let’s just call it Star Wars and say we are reimagining it!”

A year later the Star Wars logo flashes on the screen followed by..

A long time ago, in a drug filled Florida city far far away...

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that's not the issue at all, as a matter of fact, there is no issue. I've seen the Marvel movies and they are terrible too. DC is not doing anything different, it's actually a mystery that they fail so hard.

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Ugh. Val Kilmer and George Clooney with nipples. Maybe Ben Affleck is better than those guys, but not by much. He's too stiff. His "I'm rich" as his superpower should've got more laughs. Quick, what's Affleck's top 3 movies he's ever made. He should stick with those types of roles. He's just not the super hero type even for TV. Not to say he isn't handsome, but he doesn't look good in a mask. Even his Daredevil was forgettable and he looked ridiculous.

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That's a factor. It's clear that they tried to catch up to Marvel, and as a result they put out rushed projects. But I think the main issue is that the movies are just bad, and I think the root of this issue was hiring Snyder to jumpstart the universe. They didn't have a solid first movie in the universe and yet, they moved on without making the necessary changes to fix the issue.

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