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are you kidding me?

posted 13 years ago by zachanscom
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the ability to have a higher form of consciousness and awareness of mortality does not make a human being more "valuable" than any other animal. i would as soon burn a man to death than burn a fly to death. of course, there's the issue of intention...i don't intend to kill millions of skin cells by scratching an itch.

right, with that out of the way, let me tell you why "failed revenge" movies fail.

if i were ave, why would i even go to the boy's father? my wife is dead, all i have left is the dog, who just got his head blown off. what to do? contact a reporter to publicize the incident so millions of uninterested viewers can change the channel? contact the police who, unsurprisingly, do nothing because the legal system is a bureaucratic mess?

nope, all you have to do is get a scoped rifle, aim it at the murderer's house and wait for him to come out the door. simple.

[–] gus_carrillo 13 years ago

There's not a movie to be made with that plot line unless it lasts 4 Min. But I completely agree, if I had the life of the guy, after all he's been through, if some little *beep* shot my dog, and with it all that's left of my life, I'd just do as you said and kill the mother *beep*

[–] bobson13 12 years ago

Fortunately for society you are both talking out your asses otherwise their would be a lot more random sniper murders going down on the mean streets of where ever the F@#k you 2 live.

[–] TrumpIsAHump 12 years ago

"with it all that's left of my life, I'd just do as you said and kill the mother *beep*"

Yeah. Sure you would. If you're a complete moron.

[–] cinemajunky 13 years ago

But he was hoping that the boys' father had some ounce of integrity and would force his boys to tell the truth rather than allow them to get away with murder (literally!). He is the penultimate gentleman and expects others to live by the same set of mores that he has. When he's disappointed time and time again, the only thing he can do is persist. It's not until the boy attempts violence that he responds in kind. We need more people like him and less of the fathers.

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[–] ndwolfwood3769 12 years ago

Actually I really liked the way he handled it. I like that he starts off trying to resolve it in a calm and mature manor. Though that doesnt pan out for him and I like that he shows a conscience and has remorse even for the kids in the end. He is not a bad guy and going to the kid's father the first time is where it should have ended.

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[–] TheBeardedWonder 12 years ago

Exactly, he handles it with dignity at first. I also liked the pacing behind his intentions. He tried to go the moral route and talk to the father, which doesn't work. So he goes the legal path and that doesn't happen. He once more tries, this time with an impassioned public plea, which gets shot down before it even has a chance.

So he goes the one route left, which as we saw is to take things into his own hands. Gotta love dog people...

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[–] davidmuohy 12 years ago

its a *beep* Animal!

[–] tim411 12 years ago

Zac, you're wrong.

[–] GoGoGadgetFilm 11 years ago

It's not about being more valuable period. Technically, all value is imagined, including ours, until you give it context. If you ask which has more value in the context of survival, maintaining and advancing our way of life, reproduction and overall need, it's a fact that humans are more valuable to humans. There's nothing strange or amoral about a species valuing one of its own over another. It's instinctual and the norm throughout the animal kingdom.

If a random dog and a random person were falling off a cliff and you could only save one, nature and common sense would motivate you to save the other human. They're not equal to humans in the context of humanity. Only in the context of being humane.

[–] ramcamcole 8 years ago

Wouldn't say it's failed revenge. Two of the boys died due to Mr. McCormack and Danny's stubbornness and they have to live with that.