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I dont get it, I think the movie is pathetic.

posted 16 years ago by kirill_sytchev
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I'm a big Anime fan. Don't want to offend anyone, but this was one of the most boring and pointless Anime I have ever seen.

I found it to be absolutely empty. The animation is the same as appleseed, it is pretty good. But the movie has nothing to offer. The action sequences are crap compared to appleseed 1 and 2, a building takeover, a bike chase and a tunnel race (is that called a lot of action). The character development is nonexistent, so the drama part only makes you sleepy as you never really feel anything for the pretty dolls with nothing but a name. Paul should never be allowed to make sound tracks again. The story is ok, but the idea is too similar to bioroides. And the overall pace was very slow along with the monotonous cheesy dialogs. So what makes it good ?

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[–] crazier-1 15 years ago

I agree with you. Normaly I wouldn't care about imdb ratings, but this one is way overrated.

It starts with nice action scenes and an interesting idea (Japan isolated, mysterious atmosphere) but in the end it gets all screwed up. The story (all people are robots and everything is deserted, I mean WTF?!?) and character development is crap and the last scene when the two disabled persons chase each other is just ridiculous.

[–] proterozoic 15 years ago

You know, I rated it 8/10, but the more time passes the less I like this movie. It starts out with amazing promise, I agree... the mystery of what's going on in Japan is pretty gripping, as well as the idea of everyone getting converted to synthetic life. But the smallness of the ultimate mystery is very disappointing - just another "evil megacorporation with monomaniacal boss" plotline. Very weak. The dialogue was bad, the whole final denouement was one big, huge cliche. I'd expect that from Hollywood, but Japan's has been one film industry that was never scared of unconventional endings. Too bad they didn't do something more interesting with this film... it seems that they're learning too much from American blockbusters.

[–] Janatay 15 years ago

I liked the twist. You would think that 'evil' Japanese have turned their country into a technological robotic empire. Instead it's the least expected - deserted land with Japanese being victims.

[–] theBattleHills 15 years ago

the story feels like some of the producers got drunk and outlined the basic idea of the story, making it up as they went along, and then got someone to write it for them.
I was expecting a sweet super advanced Japan with killer robots and sweet visuals and all that. I pretty much got the opposite, but then again its my fault for thinking it would be cool.
The whole turning all the japanese people into robots was actually kind of cool, but everything past that point, including the lame ending, was very underwhelming. I actually turned it off for the night after watching that part where whats her name gives that uplifting speech and everyone was yelling in slow motion.

for the record I thought appleseed was awful too, but the second one was kind of cool, and I figured the film makers were getting better.

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[–] patrutiss-1 15 years ago

Same feeling here,nice looking but that is all.

[–] Liquidize105 15 years ago

I'm surprised that an anime fan would say this about a film with a poignant message when most anime are grade-a garbage.

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[–] skanking_bob 15 years ago

That's the problem with a lot of western anime fans, you all demand action and cant get behind the story, themes or anything else. If you were to watch 'Jin Roh' you'd find it just as boring because its not packed with action.

I'll admit that when I first watched Vexille it was slightly confusing but then a week after watching it we looked at technophobia at university and it all fell into place. Vexille is a brilliant film as it deals with concepts of the loss of humanity and loss of identity. Fair enough that is pretty obvious but when you think that this technophobic film was made in a time when we are all so infused with technology, especially Japan, it does a really good job of making technology seem scary.

I could say so much more about this but I dont think I need to really, all I really need to say is that if you don't understand a film, don't just dismiss it as bad or boring, take the opportunity to find out what the film is really trying to say because 9 times out of 10 it'll have some cultural relevance to what is happening in the world at the time. Vexille is not only technophobic but also deals with issues that have been occurring in Japanese films for years: fears over westernization, the loss of Japanese cultures, ideologies and traditions

[–] jebgeorgesuk 14 years ago

nothing deep to understand. if i don't care for the characters what do i care? seriously. not enough char development: oh she blows bubble gum, likes to kick arse, & likes this guy (that likes another chick)--not enough. so all the deep crap about what is human just floats on the surface & who gives a rats behind if they offer themselves up to these JAGS (that remind me of Dune anyway)?

[–] nickynichole01 14 years ago

You said it bob. Western anime fans. Tells you a lot when out of the hundreds of different anime from japan. The only films they seem to know are appleseed, ghost in the shell and vexille. LOL!! Or at the very least the ones that are dubbed.

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[–] heghofo 13 years ago

I wasn't into this movie for the action scenes, I didn't even know it had any. For what it's worth, I thought they were tense and entertaining.

I love science fiction. I was attracted to it by the premise, and it did start off like I expected. I was all pumped by the time they were planning to infiltrate Japan, and then... the film crashed into a brick wall. I can't remember the last time I saw a movie burn out this fast.

You know why Blofield or Goldfinger from the Bond franchise are memorable? It's because they're ridiculous. They exist in a campy world of fabulous international conspiracies involving orbital nukes, lasers, underground lairs and hammy acting. It's a joy to watch the big villain chew the scenery and then execute one of his goons via shark-infested-pit to show how EEEVILLEE he is.

Now, to take this approach to the rationale behind Vexille's villain, and then play it straight, you must be utterly and completely mental. These guys flattened their own home and country into a sandy parking lot, populated it with burrowing vacuum cleaners, infected everyone with implausible-plot-device-number-69493 and put them in a ghetto "to perform evil experiments, muahahaha!"

To add insult to injury, they make every character introduced after the 30-minute-mark make bafflingly stupid decisions, have the same personality, and then die in contrived circumstances so the heroine can cry for them, even though she knew them for, like, 10 hours.

I think I know exactly what the problem with Vexille is - it looks like something an animator would make. There is no way in hell a professional writer came up with this screenplay. And it definitely wasn't a science-fiction writer, not with the atrocious treatment realism and consistency get in this movie. It's something a bunch of animators came up with, and the "themes" that you praise so much are easy to do even for them. A well-structured, well-paced plot isn't. People don't talk and behave like this, international politics don't work like this, science doesn't work like this, corporations don't work like this; NOTHING is depicted as reasonable and believable.

I wouldn't complain about it if it weren't for the clearly near-future opening. I'm not bothered by ridiculous science, even in science-fiction - for example, I love Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, and "ridiculous" is an understatement there. But in a genre obviously still in the shadow of Ghost in the Shell, you cannot make this kind of badly-thought-out anvilicious tripe and hope to surpass it.

[–] snes4u 11 years ago

"...all I really need to say is that if you don't understand a film, don't just dismiss it as bad or boring..."
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What a coque.

[–] nikkiten1979 15 years ago

I totally agree with what you just wrote.

what makes it good?

the movie itself isn't good... the animation is great and that's about it. the character development was extremely lacking in depth, and the emotions were misplaced...

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[–] HellRaidertr 15 years ago

I am sorry but if you think this movie is crap, then appleseed becomes crap automatically. Maybe the character development is better in appleseed but all the other elements in vexille are surely better in my opinion.

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