Heroine's Rose Belt?????

Hi Lauriemacc,
Yeah, it'd be nice to be able to watch this again, now that you mentioned the correlation between Spike being the Thorn & her being the Rose (symbolically). I never thought of it like that, (went right over my head).

Or....maybe he's just the Thorn in her side, hehehe! Below is actually my idea of their past & present relationship & the reason's for it. Sorry about the length, but there were many reasons why I believed they were not only friends in their past, but somewhat lovers.......


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Stuff was said + their actions really lead the viewer to believe that they'd had a crush like, romantic relationship which had started when they were children & likely continued into their teens (possibly even a bit sexual - as much as one could get w/ Spike) & here is why I thought this:

[First their actions]

a) She never fights to free herself & she willingly goes w/ him...even while she's in the net being dragged away. She could fight her way out, but she initially doesn't. As if she wants to see more & what he's offering her. Basically, in the beginning....she's a willing participant. & I don't believe it's for her beau's sake.

b) Also, she seems mesmerized by him, when he reminisces about their past. As if she's under his spell.

c) You see what he does w/ her....his actions need no explanation. They're obvious.

* The 1st time you really get to see a "full facial view" of Spike is when the two Lesbians lovers are treking through the forest toward Spike's lair (after Heroine gets dragged away by Spike). The tough Lesbian (who quotes medical terms) comes to the lair & finds a shrine of the Heroine w/many photos & drawings of her.

Taking a closer look, she realizes the creature obviously knew the Heroine & had for quite some time...as she sees several childhood photos of Heroine & Spike. (They look to be approx. 8-10 years old). The photos are framed side by side, w/ Spike on rt & Heroine on lft. As she looks closer at the photos, she discover's Spike's not a creature at all, but a man. Sniveling scaredy lesbian is still convinced Spike is some kind of weird animal creature.

The scene cuts to Spike & Heroine (who's legs are tightly bound & trapped in netting). She isn't fighting to free herself, at all...but is instead, enjoying the ride while being dragged to his lair. You then hear Spike's pet mountain lion scream from afar.

Cutting back to strong willed Lesbian at the lair....She attempts to remove another photo of Spike, which is posted covering a small window in the lair's wall. She suddenly comes face to face w/ the lion, scaring the bejesus out of her.

Upon hearing his cat, Spike hauls butt back to his lair, dragging the Heroine behind him. He finds the photo from the window, out of it's frame & rumpled on the ground w/ slashes through it. (Apparently, lion scratched at strong willed Lesbian & struck the photo instead)

Now, Spike realizes that they're not alone.

[Now for the comments]

a) This was easy....they both openly admitted to a past romantic relationship. How far they took it, tho...was just lightly touched on. Also Spike saw things a lil' differently, than his Heroine. His feelings & views were far more intense.

Several comments are exchanged between the Heroine & Spike, after arriving @ his lair. Their comments make the viewer believe there was definently something romantic between the two of them in the past & likely even the present. Initially you get a sense of romantic tension....that is, before the poop hits the fan.

Comments such as:

** Regarding her being suddenly absent in his life 7 yrs prior. She states, "My father never meant anything by it, he just thought you might hurt me". This was after Spike said to her, "I took this bike from him (the dilapidated motorcycle in the vines)...but he took something far more precious & valuable from me". (Meaning Daddy stole Spike's girl away)

** Spike reminisces back to when Heroine used to have terrible nightmares & wasn't able to sleep, during her childhood. (Why was she having these nightmares)? They never explain this.... unless I missed it. I imagined that her Mom likely died when she was younger or Mom walked out on her & her Dad.... (Heroine's Mom's was never really mentioned, as I recalled)

Spike then describes the times when he'd come to her window at night & sing her to sleep...helping her through her nightmares. He says he was always there for her, when other's weren't. She agrees as Spike then sings the little childhood ditty that Heroine says sounds familiar & she remembers from childhood. Spike says something like, "Yes, because your father taught it to me".

** Lastly Spike tries to put the moves on her, but her mind is on her dying boyfriend, who's lost a lot of blood & might possibly be cocooned in spider webbing like a fly. Spike attempts first to touch her abdomen, while she's lying down. He subtly works up to her breasts...making an awkward attempt at getting busy w/ her. She stops him & pulls away.

He says something like, "You used to like it when I touched you" & "You said that you loved me"
Then she comments something to the effect of her losing emotional control around him & falling for him all over again, like before. She says that Spike does something to her that affects her emotions & makes her weak & fall for him all over again.

Strong Pheromones, or what?

Heroine says she can't help herself re: falling in love w/ Spike again, but realizes she must live in the real world....which wouldn't be w/him in his lair. She likens Spike & his lair to the mythological underworld of Hades & Spike as the God, Hades.
She further likens herself to the mythological part time queen of the underworld, Persephone....who used to be a light & happy being & goddess of the harvest.....who was kidnapped by Hades & taken below, against her will, to the underworld of the dead..... There Persephone was held captive for part of each year (hence the meaning of the change of the seasons & Persephone's time in the underworld ... her "dead of winter") or.... Winter, being the time Persephone must go back below to Hades each year.
Our Heroine attempts to barter for her release, promising to return to Spike for part of each year.

I took the above statements by Spike & our Heroine + the photos to mean that they'd definitely had some sort of childhood love affair 7+ years earlier. They were likely childhood sweethearts/ each other's 1st loves, maybe in a very innocent way. I surmised that due to her Mom not being around...(leaving or dying, whatever) this loss left her & her father vulnerable & that she was lonely. This loneliness lead to nightmares. (just me guessing & filling in gaps)

Spike comes into the picture during this time, but how?. It'd been nice if they delved into it more. As Spike's love obsession grew, Daddy thought it was unhealthy & worried for his daughter's welfare...that she'd eventually get hurt. I mean, as much as Spike loved her...he had some incredible outbursts. For this reason, Daddy had to stifle the situation. Daddy either rode Spike out to the woods on that delapitated motorcycle & left Spike there....(w/Spike subsequently taking that bike from him).....

or....

The another scenario could be that when Daddy thought Spike became uncontrollable & a danger to his daughter, he packed them up in the night & moved away.....abandoning Spike.

Though Spike is very intelligent, well read, soft spoken, and can be loving & sweet....He definently has control & impulse issues. He throws temper tantrums at the drop of a hat. He also has no people skills, due to lack of human interaction. Therefore he misreads facial expressions, signals & gestures. He can't grow emotionally due to his circumstances & for this reason, believes he can just take up where he left off with her, 7 years later. Aspergers syndrome would be a good way of describing him. Combine that along with Obsessive Compulsive & Anger Issues, he's kind of a mess.

Basically they leave a lot up to the viewer to figure out when it comes to their childhood pasts. I see this as a modern day Beauty & the Beast w/ a dash of Romeo & Juliette & a bit of Phantom of the Opera / Erik's character type mixed in.



This came on last Saturday night (by accident) on The Movie Channel's (TMC's) Splatterday Saturday. I say accident, cause the Vincent D'Onofrio movie "Don't Go Into The Woods" from 2010' was actually advertised. On Splatterday Saturday, there are usually 2 horror movies shown back to back on the TMC channel. I knew of the Vincent D'Onofrio movie, because I had just seen it recently...so when this came on, I was going "What the heck is this?" The premise wasn't the same, nor were the actors...yet they were in the woods, just like in D'Onofrio's flick.

I'd never seen "Spike" before, so I was dying to know what this movie was, as it was playing? I too love to check out IMDB for premises & opinions, etc to help me decide on watchin a movie, or for figuring out a movie that leaves too many holes in the plot. I love spoilers too, but then again...I read books from back to front, heheh. Can't stand anticipation of the suspense.

Regarding coming in on a movie already playing & missing parts of a movie.....or needing more of an explantion.

There's something you can do...if you missed part of a movie (at least this is what I do & it works out wonderfully, most of the time).....go onto "Youtube" or "Hulu". If you can't get the full movie for free (usually you can w/ older ones) on Youtube....then you can at least get bits & pieces...possibly of the scene you may have missed, to fill in the blanks. Some movies, I've been able to catch in full on "Hulu" for free. Just a thought anyway, but it works!
Take care!