ok i understand that this movie is supposed to be one year earlyer then the original does that mean the series is non existence now? if not how does that fir in the whole thing????
sharei heard it was 3 years earlier.
shareI think it's 2 years before The Little Mermaid 1.
The series is an interesting question. Most of the episodes could fit in before TLM1, but some didn't make sense with the story in the first place (Metal Fish is one of them).
With the release of this, even more episodes contradict with the movies (like The Evil Manta).
The series isn't very canon. Some episodes can happen, some can't.
Ariel is fifteen in this movie; you can tell by looking into the special features on the DVD.
The series isn't nonexistent, it's just like the Lion King how they went back to explain. The movie reveals why Triton despises the humans so much, and why he's so cautious of Ariel's running off (again).
Well, it can still be 1 and 3/4 years before TLM1.
And about the series, some episodes contradict not only TLM3, but even TLM1.
Actually, I'd argue that TLM3 has even more contradictions to TLM1 than the TV series did.
No surfacing (Triton implied in the first movie that Ariel's meeting with Scuttle was not the first time she ever surfaced)
Scuttle and her never met (the firstmovie implies that they knew each other for quite some time, yet there wasn't any meeting of Scuttle at all)
Flounder being OOC
Ursula not appearing at all (as well as ruining any chance of Ariel meeting her, despite the first movie implying that they have encountered each other before.)
The order of the sisters being completely wrong (Aside from Ariel, most of the sisters orders were completely different than the implied order in Daughters of Triton)
Ariel's fascination for humanity is not mentioned at all.
And finally, the BIGGEST contradiction:
The original movie implied that Ariel was a new addition to the Daughters of Triton Band, and that the concert she missed out accidentally was supposed to be her debut appearance. If Ariel's Beginning is anything to go by, she'd actually be made the band LEADER for the Daughters of Triton band because of her being responsible for bringing music back to Atlantica, and not waiting a year to join.
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As I said quite a few times before, I KNOW! However, as evidenced by how they completely changed how Flounder met, they are going to erase the TV series from continuity, and even the First Movie, and thus they would have to create an alternate version of how Ariel and Scuttle met for this film.
shareThis was Sebastian's story, not Ariel's. Plain and simple. I don't consider it canon.
shareYeah, I have to agree with you there about it not being canon (it contradicts the original film way too many times to even have a possibility of being canon. Thanks a lot, John Lasseter, for basically ruining the film (sarcasm).). Would it have really killed the writers to do even the slightest amount of research into the first movie when making that sorry excuse of a prequel?
At this point, the TV series, comics and pre-Ariel's Beginning materials are the only prequels that actually could qualify as canon.
And frankly, as much as I dislike Return to the Sea, even IT was better than Ariel's Beginning. True, its songs are terrible to say the least, and it was basically a retread of the first film, but on the other hand, at least it actually tried to maintain and respect continuity with the original film, while Ariel's Beginning just butchered continuity with the original film.
Actually, I don't think Ariel's Beginning even reveals Triton's hatred of humans. Yes, Athena did get killed by being run over by a runaground ship, but on the other hand, for such an event like that, Triton seems to spend more focus on blaming music for Athena's death, not humanity at all. And if Marina del Ray's foolish action of actually surfacing when celebrating her promotion and actually getting away with it is anything to go by, it's unlikely that Triton even instituted a surfacing ban on his kingdom. In fact, prologue aside, humans are surprisingly a non-event in this, not even being the focus of Triton's anger and hate, and even Ariel doesn't seem to focus much on humanity at all. I think they would have had a slightly bigger role in causing Triton's hatred of humanity if it was intended to have Triton hate humans as a result of that tragedy.
shareAs I have often stated Disney does not care for continuity let alone this film because of Katzenburg
Though not the studio's most successful film Disney treats it like the Black Hole
Hence Continuity problems and sheer ignorance on Disney Studio's Part
What's even worse is that this was their smash hit that SAVED them from the string of failures starting with Black Hole.
shareEXACTLY
shareAriel's Beginning is when Ariel is 14. The series is when she is 15. The first movie is when she's 16. The second movie is when Ariel is 28. The only inconsistency between the series and Ariel's Beginning is how she meets Flounder, as the series reveals something different in a flashback.
shareYou forgot to mention how Ariel's sisters' birth order was completely switched around for no real reason (even in the original film, they stated or at the very least strongly implied their birth order with the Daughters of Triton musical number).
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