very intresting


i could not pull myself away from this show, i watched it twice and i could watch it again. I felt bad for those men...them feeling like they could not find anyone to share there lives with.....who were breathing.

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I don't believe that, and not just because I'm a woman. I think that it's fine to have a sex-toy but, I highly doubt many men (or women for that matter as Real Doll makes male dolls as well) would truly choose a fake doll over real companionship. The one guy said, they make good toys but do not provide companionship.
Humans are social creatures, we require bonds with other people and dolls do not provide that, there are people out there who do not follow the norm and prefer to be alone- and, it seems, the ones who can afford it, buy the dolls- but that behavior goes against the norm.



"We are all in the gutter; but some of us are looking at the stars."-Oscar Wilde

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I think the female equivalent would be a dildo. How many women own those?

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"I think the female equivalent would be a dildo. How many women own those?"

No, that would be a big rubber man.

These guys had an Ed Gein/Jeff Dahmer quality that I found charming. Thank heavens for rubber, it probably saved some lives.

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I highly doubt many men would truly choose a fake doll over real companionship.


You're right, many men wouldn't. But some would, and apparently do.

Edit: And another thing. I find it really odd why people assume purchasing a doll means they're giving up women necessarily. While this may be the case for some, there's no reason to say others are the same. These dolls were made for sex and many men just see their use as a higher form of masturbation. Sort of like a flesh light but the next step up. I'm sure if a person bought a flesh light or a dildo you wouldn't scold them for "giving up." (Even though, in some cases, I believe it is totally justified.)

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I don't think it's about their not finding anyone to share their lives, but more about not having the ability to do so. I think 3 of the four obviously have some sort of mental illness. One had his mother's room preserved, 11 years after her death and he had never had a girlfriend. And he was in his 50's. The other could afford the maintenance and upkeep of an $8000 doll, yet lived at home with his parents. He referred to real woman as "organic women." A third had never left the town he'd grown up with, and the only company he kept was his dolls and guns. I mean, there were 40-50-ish men who actually believe that dolls were capable of having a relationship.

The only one seemingly rational was the last guy who recognized that the doll was a mastabatory tool and attempted to have a relationship with a real woman. On the other hand he had at least 8 dolls that he played dress up with. I think he may have been downplaying his actual obsession with them.

Vic Mackey: "God creates all men equal. Out of the womb, he starts playing favorites."

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Why don't the other three boys use the internet to find companionship? Why just buy a doll? I think these men just want to *beep* fake women because they are lazy. Women need so much care and up keep that it can be daunting but complete silence over nagging.....I don't know maybe i will get one. PLUS THOSE DOLLS ARE *beep* HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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Why just buy a doll? I think these men just want to *beep* fake women because they are lazy

I think you missed the point.

Many (maybe all - that guy with eight of them was less than lucid) of the men interviewed had major psychological problems. It wasn't that they were lazy and didn't want to talk to women; it was that they had a critical mental "problem" when it came dealing with real women.



Here's something that irked me:
During the interview with the man with the long hair, they had a little scene where he showed his gun and sword collection. Directly after this scene, they had a very long still of a neopagan bumpersticker, complete with lame catchphrase and pentagram. What were they implying? That all neopagans are "weirdos" with sex dolls? That they all have gun collections? That they're all antisocial? Simply that this man was a neopagan? I noticed that a few of the dolls of the other men had crucifixes strung around their necks.

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Well on the one hand you gotta think, women have vibrators and dildoes and those are almost totally accepted by "normal" society, even sitcoms and what have you validates them, does the fact that these guy's sex toys are fullsize fake females instead of just the part that women only seem to care about (marital aid-wise) make them deeper or just creepier?

But I gotta say the idea of having sex with one of those things is just a tad to close to pretend necrophilia for me. Now it may be sex with a dead supermodel, sure, but a dead person is a dead person. It's like abduction and serial killing for beginners. Yeesh.

I mean I empathized and pitied them all but the the only one that didn't truly creep me out was the American guy that thought of it as a hobby, and really fellas, isn't that what sex generally is, doll or not?

Although I will be the first to admit that when they create and perfect sex-bots, and you know they will, like Blade Runner Replicant-style, I'd try one. Hell I'd probably buy one. Probably cost a fortune too, so I'd hafta save up. Mmm... repli-sex.

Oh and the weird extra-creepy emo Flock of Seagulls-haircut black guy that sounded like a Jew — totally made the whole thing worth it.

Best quote: "And I'm running out of vaginas."

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I agree with the quote, so funny.

The show was very interesting and also depressing. What I found most depressing was that some of those guys treat their dolls with the utmost respect and compassion, more than some men treat their real partners - and if they only had the chance to be with the right woman, the women be so lucky.

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Gordon (the guy with the long hair) has several videos on youtube (mostly regarding his dolls) and if you watch them you'll see that he's really a down to earth guy. No one knows if any of the men interviewed had any actual psychological problems, though the first man certainly struck me as very strange but I saw nothing wrong with him and his actions really; that's just his forte, and I am not sure that qualifies as a mental illness.

Gordon explains in his video that he's made several attempts at relationships with real women but notes that partly due to his appearance, he's had no success. He's concludes that ultimately, he has no desire for a real woman mainly because of the lying and cheating he's been through over and over again.

Gordon had a Geocities page with a section that explained a lot but Yahoo! shut Geocities down awhile ago.

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I don't think it's about their not finding anyone to share their lives, but more about not having the ability to do so. I think 3 of the four obviously have some sort of mental illness. One had his mother's room preserved, 11 years after her death and he had never had a girlfriend. And he was in his 50's. The other could afford the maintenance and upkeep of an $8000 doll, yet lived at home with his parents. He referred to real woman as "organic women."


I can't speak to the "organic women" bit as I've only heard (rather than seen; a local radio station played the audio of this, if you can believe it) this documentary, and only a ~20-minute clip at that. The clip I heard didn't have any of the interviewees saying anything about "organic women," so that's a new one on me.

I also don't know anything about what is involved in the way of "maintenance and upkeep" for one those dolls. Rightly or wrongly, I was under the impression that maintenance and upkeep boiled down to simply, uh, cleaning them regularly (ewwww). I suppose it's possible that there's some sort of expensive goop the owner is supposed to apply regularly to the silicone skin to preserve it or something, but that's only a guess on my part.

What I can speak to is this bit:


The other could afford the maintenance and upkeep of an $8000 doll, yet lived at home with his parents.


I've met a few guys through the years who were still living with their parents. And while the no-money "basement dweller" stereotype is alive and well (not without reason), it appears to me that it is entirely possible for someone to live at home, and yet have very expensive toys.

From the few people I've spoken with (I can't claim any sort of representative sample), it seems that few, if any, parents charge their kids rent. Meaning: living at home might make it possible for someone to set aside money that someone else who has to pay rent monthly wouldn't be able to.

It's also possible to buy something expensive like a Realdoll the same way it's possible to buy any expensive something-or-other: you can save up for it over a period of months (or years).

I realize that, at first glance, it seems counter-intuitive that someone would have the money for something like an eight-grand-a-pop Realdoll and yet not have the money to pay rent on a place of their own. However, I've known people with expensive toys like motorcycles and jet skis who were still living with mum and dad.

The fact that they didn't have to pay rent and, therefore, had the ability to salt away a few bucks meant that they could buy what they liked in the way of toys. True, they might just as easily have saved up enough money to pay rent somewhere, but their doing so might have meant a very hand-to-mouth sort of existence. Compare that to living at least somewhat comfortably at home with mum and dad and being able to spend whatever discretionary income you might have at your disposal on toys to help dull the pain of being stuck at home with your parents.

(Just saying.)






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I also don't know anything about what is involved in the way of "maintenance and upkeep" for one those dolls.

I saw the entire documentary, there were additional details on upkeep, repairs, replacement parts and the ability to change clothes and whatnot. It's an $8000 toy that is more than just a hole.

Compare that to living at least somewhat comfortably at home with mum and dad and being able to spend whatever discretionary income you might have at your disposal on toys to help dull the pain of being stuck at home with your parents.

That's kind of my point - They would rather live at home with mum and dad than live as grown ups out in the real world, where sometimes things are tough (that hand to mouth existence you mentioned.).

Sure there are just some lazy ass people out there. But when you add the fact that these people live at home and have "relationships" and sex with dolls, then you have someone who with emotional issues.

The fact that they didn't have to pay rent and, therefore, had the ability to salt away a few bucks meant that they could buy what they liked in the way of toys.

Again to my point. They want/expect mom and dad to foot the bill for their upkeep while they spend their money on "toys". That not the description of a completely functional individual.

Most people "in pain" try to get rid of that pain as soon as possible.


Vic Mackey: "God creates all men equal. Out of the womb, he starts playing favorites."

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I thought it was super interesting, watch lars and the real girl as well, its an indie drama with ryan gosling about a guy with a read doll

Grossest part of the movie was when that guy cleaned out the vagina of his real dull and it had like 3 oz. of brown white muck (presumably semen and lubricants and mold and nastiness) that he said smells like fish after a while.

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oh i loved lars....i didnt get to see it when it come to theaters so when it was out one dvd....i very 1st day i bought it.......

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I had no idea this was a "thing".
I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I guess I don't really understand.
The only man (doll owner) who had a healthy attitude about these inanimate objects was the guy from Texas.
The others actually believe the dolls love them back or "will miss them" when they're away. It just made me sad for them.
And the dolls are creepy as all get out.

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