don't you think that when the shooting started at the Gugenheim, the nearest car would have gone straight there. The footage after the shootings shows a convoy of many police cars, as if they had rendezvoused and then set off mob handed to all arrive at once.
Seemed silly to me, surely patrol cars would be distributed throughout the city and therefore arrive one-by-one.
Yeah, from what little I observed from visiting Manhattan and especially considering post 911 - you'd think there would be a faster and more forceful response to full out automatic gunfire cutting loose at the Gugenheim. And also, that must be the most worthless security checkpoint in the history of security checkpoints. Why did the detective have to get clearance at the front desk. "Aw hell, we already let a dozen guns into this place - go on through!"
But that wouldn't be nearly as exciting would it? I guess I'm willing to look the proverbial other way on this one.
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It's perfectly realistic.
Normal police response time is around six minutes. The police would then gather in sufficient force to enter the building. Uniformed beat cops would not just run in there guns blazing.
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first of all, you have to remember its a movie... anything can happen, if they dont want police to show up then they can do that.... this doesnt show the correct response time of NYC police... Also the dude above it is correct, if they get a call about a shootout they just dont show up and start entering a building, SWAT comes in
shareI'm not so sure about that. There's shooting and no hostage situation. Uniforms are "trained" to intercede in a "fluid" situation to limit casualties. My guess would be that the cops would at least let the closest shooters know they've arrived, and try to get people on the ground floor out of the building. As soon at the cops realize they're outgunned, that's when they'd withdraw and call in SWAT.
On the other hand, if it was immediately determined to be a wild shootout where the cops are outgunned, the uniforms that arrive would be ordered to surround the building, and then wait for Tactical.
The response time was realistic, because shootouts that takes minutes seem to last for an inordinate amount of time. If patrolmen were ordered to contain the building, that would further explain the seeming "late" reaction time. Everyone knows that museum security is B.S.. They don't check visitors for guns, and there are no metal detectors. Museum security exist merely to keep the art from getting stolen, and some opportunistic robbery of patrons.
No, the painfully huge plot hole was assigning a team of assassins to take out another assassin using automatic weapons in a public spot. As we noticed in the opening scene, they can make assassinations look like heart attacks. The bank had to make the target be at a set location at a set time, to draw him out. Assassins are supposed to be adept at avoiding surveillance and being tracked/located. Even if you figure a team to take out the assassin in public was the most effective way, you just wouldn't do anything that would cause a spectacle and put you in reach of the NYPD's long arm.
Smarter scenario #1: Have assassins with silenced firearms at every entrance/exit. Have a team of spotters within the museum. They track the target at the meeting, and when the assassin rounds an ambush point, *pop* *pop*.
Much smarter scenario #2: Hire an expert assassin, brief him on the target. Hire the target for a fake job, then setup the job so he has to be at a set location and time. Take him out with a wetwork team there and then. Its similar to how they setup and killed the first assassin. Better place to do it than the Guggenheim, because large hotels or huge office buildings tend to have empty floors, and it would attract less news coverage.
That's a thoughtful post, thank you. I can mostly agree however it was obvious the bank was pressured in taking some risky decisions. They knew Salinger is onto the consultant so they had to act FAST. Still, they didn't know how close he was so sending in an armed gang in a public landmark building was just too over the top. They could have waited for him outside by least..
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I think all of you are forgetting the scene where the bank's CEO was on his laptop having a webcam session with his 4 advisers. The old guy recommended doing nothing that would heighten the bank's exposure. The other three said "heightening our exposure is the least of our problems. We can't afford ANYONE to put our agenda at risk.". So, they decided to hire 6 assassins with serious firepower to take out the consultant. They didn't want to take any chances. The question is: could the 6 assassins be tied back to the bank? Probably not.
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Wyatt Earp riding a donkey would of show up faster then the NY police did.
I noticed this too andyd, these kind of things give directors minus points in my book.
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