hiya i just wanted to point out they use the muslims call to prayer whenever the scary part comes up. why is that??! i mean isnt that like there call to come and pray so its peaceful right
..and in the film they use it in the score like its creepy? i think thats interesting...
The director obviously read the Hadith too much during filming...
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Yeah, so we should play the star spangled banner everytime a missile hits something, some nation gets invaded, or you see poverty and misery and suffering on a massive scale. great idea!
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huh?
Are you guys saying this movie is portraying Islam as evil and horrific?
What the **** that's really bad!
I am boycotting this propoganda bullcr@p.
LMFAO!
shareHuh?!! The Dawn of the Dead remake begins with the Muslims call to prayer?! I didn't know that! One more reason NOT to watch Zac Snyders' bastardization of Romero's classic! Incidentally, I don't know if the Dawn of he Dead remake starts with the call to prayer ... but the Exorcist certainly does. Oh, and one more thing: Both the Dawn remake and the Exorcist original were made by Jewish directors. Coincidence? I DON'T think so.
Beware subtle propaganda: It's the most dangerous. Remember one thing: There are over a billion muslims all over the world. The incidents of violence attributed to them is very less in comparision with their overall population - with the exception of parts of the Middle East where there is a serious overkill of media coverage regarding the violence occuring daily partly because a lot of jews and/or people with controlling interests in oil have a stake in the mass media; and partly because the brown skinned people there have committed the cardinal sin (according to the powers that be) of killing white people. Just look at the amount of media pilloring Robert Mugabe because his admittedly corrupt government forces whites off their land - but there was a media blackout when the Australian government used brutal force to crush a separatist uprising in the Island state of Naru - where's your right of self determination NOW, eh sonny? On the other hand, jews are a small population - but there is a disproportionate amount of violence attributed to them - the argument that they are merely 'defending themslves against terrorists' is absurd once you take into account that the founders of Israel were terrorists themselves - as soon as they achieved political legitimacy they became 'freedom fighters'. Israel also was the worlds' fourth biggest arms manufacturer - they did suffered a setback when the dot com bubble burst - and hey presto! 9/11 came to save their a@@es conveniently. Now they are the worlds second biggest arms manufacturer. Who's making all those defective guns that put US soldiers' lives at risk? One guess sonny.....
It's quite amusing seeing these racist buggers rag on the arabs by making the call to prayer seem sinister - becaus if religion was abolished in the Middle East, then socialism and arab nationalism would fill the void left by religion thus uniting the arabs totally against the people they deem their oppressors - and leading to greater numbers of US/Israeli forces being killed - perhaps even a nuke up Israel's backside perhaps? Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it - in spades!!!
It's very amusing seeing these Hollywood types making ANYTHING foreign seem scary - I once saw a sports film where the bad guys were Iceland - ICELAND of all countries!!!! Yes, a country where everyone is happy and there is hardly any violence or fear (mothers there can park their baby prams outside the Bar while they go inside for a drink without any fear of anyone snatching their children!) bu I guess it ain't bright or sunny like California so it MUST be evil!!!
All of this wouldn't be up for speculation if the movie was any good; it isn't. And WHY Afghanistan? First Afghan Knights now this - what, has South America and Eastern Europe exhausted their mystique of being places where US 'Special OPs' go in to meet their doom? At least movies like this in the 80s had some decent effects - if the story was crap you could at least marvel at the how novel and different the monster/ghost/alien/menace was; now its all rubbish CGI that kills(!) any sense of realistic fear since you just KNOW the actors are in no physical danger as they are nowhere near the (nowadays) welcome sight of a tall awkward bloke in a rubbery monster suit!
Too many (better) movies similar to this for my liking. Must try harder.
I agree that there is too much anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment in American culture today although I doubt if these filmmakers were consciously using the Muslim call to prayer to reinforce such prejudice, either overtly or subliminally. It's too bad that this point is buried in a psychotic anti-semitic rant. Whenever two or more Jews are involved in similar activities, it must be a conspiracy. It could not possibly be a coincidence.
If you must respond please don't waste our time with the tired bit about people who criticize Israel are automatically labeled anti-semites. You made your bigotry quite clear in your nutty little diatribe.
Oh, one other thing: You need to get a grip. This is just a movie. The appropriate place for your rant is in a political blog (or perhaps a psychiatric journal).
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I didn't see this as antimuslim in fact I saw it as a search for God in the desert. Sinister stuff happened to the worst of the soldiers while the one on the search of truth found his truth. The key to the film is the last minute of the film and the first minute of the credits. The agents wife said he went looking for Mohammad and he seems to have found him.
shareobviously never been to Iceland (Island);or anywhere o/s your own borders (in many respects).
Really? I always thought the intention of the title sequence was to show the world's reaction to people becoming zombies...people of any faith will flock to their places of worship when **** happens.
shareits all in how you enterpret it. maybe it was played at those moments to mean 'everyone better start praying NOW!!!'
on the other hand, after 9/11 that sound of farsi -or whatever languge they sing it in- creeps me out HEAVILY. i'm not a racist and i don't care what you worship as long as you are peacful. but that sound is severely creepy to me. you can blame bin laden for that.
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shareHow typical of western ignorance that feeds Islamophobia. Dont come to conclusions without verifying it and for gods sake, use google or wikipedia to read and learn. The Muslim's call for Prayer is in Arabic and its the same through out the world. If its sounds creepy, I guess you need to thank Bush and his Cohorts more than Bin laden!! Peace Man..
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ok, even though i don't have the time i will respond to this...
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How typical of western ignorance that feeds Islamophobia. Dont come to conclusions without verifying it and for gods sake, use google or wikipedia to read and learn. The Muslim's call for Prayer is in Arabic and its the same through out the world. If its sounds creepy, I guess you need to thank Bush and his Cohorts more than Bin laden!! Peace Man..
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'typical of western ignorance'
i'm not the guy who thinks god will reward him with a ton of virgins if he blows himself up. no americans believe that... not even the muslims. that belief is held by a certain segment of the word's population... the same segment i blame for causing the call to prayer sound creepy to me. they are ignorant, imho.
and although america's press is not as 'free' as i once believed, it is still much more open than most of the world. we are able to say anything about anyone or anything here... how about you? (you don't live in a muslim country if you say yes.)
we were ALL ignorant to the fact that sadam did not have WMDs, but so was the entire world. and trust me, americans are not nearly as ignorant about the muslims as we were on 9/10.
'Dont come to conclusions without verifying it'
read my post again. i said 'farsi, or whatever language it's sung in.' i was openly admitting that i didn't know what language it was sung in as i haven't seen the film in question, but as farsi is the most prevelent language spoken in afghanistan i took a stab at it. 'arabic' just seemed too easy...?
by posting 'or whatever language it's sung in' i assumed it would be obvious enough that i released myself from any sort of validation, but i guess not. i just find it extremely pathetic that your entire post was based around attacking me on this insignificant point.
'and for gods sake, use google or wikipedia to read and learn.'
i find it laughable that you accuse me of being stupid. if you were half as smart as you are arrogant i wouldn't have been able to post everything above and below this sentence. you might take your own advice and 'read and learn.'
'The Muslim's call for Prayer is in Arabic and its the same through out the world. If its sounds creepy, I guess you need to thank Bush and his Cohorts more than Bin laden!!'
once again you display YOUR inability to 'read and learn.' in my post i clearly said 'ever since 9/11 that call to prayer creeps me out.' i didn't say 'ever since bush invaded iraq.' so why would i blame bush for the call to prayer sounding creepy to me?
'Peace Man.. '
ditto.
Considering that the Muslim call of prayer is recited 5 times a day daily by billions of Muslims worldwide including the US, any person who even remotely understands or knows Islam would not have used it for a horror movie, that too which is set in Post 9/11 Afghanisthan. The fact the moviemakers used it proves that they were either completely ignorant (and also stupid) or used it intentionally (as I strongly suspect) cos its Islam bashing which is the current favourite after Hollywood ran out of anti-communist ideas. I wonder which bracket you belong to?
I was also amused with your following comments "we were ALL ignorant to the fact that sadam did not have WMDs, but so was the entire world" - get your spelling's right and please dont include ME in your ALL.
The world was not ignorant as YOU seem to belive Nor were so many Americans who did NOT believe that Saddam had any WMDs in the first place. Trying to justify your actions with scores of peace loving American Citizens who did not want the War nor trusted Bush smacks of Pluralistic ignorance. Do also remember that Bin laden was a Frankenstein created and mentored by us to fight our proxy Rambo wars against the commies in Afghanisthan and elsewhere until communism died and we had to find a new enemy number 1 - Islam.
Friend, it is people like you whose ignorance that continues to get exploited by anti-muslim, right wing neocons which is fuelling the current Islamophobia worldwide and making idiots like Bush come to power. You dont have to admit any faults but please give it a try to read and learn..the world is quite different than what we are tutored to believe. Lets not keep making the same mistakes again..and again.
Peace
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I think we shouldn't blame Osama for that but our media and our governments. Our paranoia stems from the relentless spreading of fear on behalf of our polititians and our mass media. They don't get tired or ramming the "story of the evil muslim" down our throats.
After the downfall of the USSR, the western world was in desperate need of an enemy. The only major communists left were the Chinese but they were no good as an enemy. All our countries did great business with COMMUNIST China and since your business partner can't really be your enemy, communists had to be replaced with a better enemy.
Along came a guy, who was "made" by the CIA to give those commies (the Russians in Afganistan, not the Chinese) hell and as usual, after he had done his job, hewas left in the rain. That understandably pi**ed him and his mates off a fair bit and he turned against the western world in general and the US in particular. Suddenly the western world had a real enemy again. And he's a really perfect one. One that can be used to justify everything because he's not like the Russians. He's everywhere and nowhere, he can't be seen or heard unless he wants to be. He's what Samuel Goldstein was in 1984. Perfect, if you need to tighten the strangelehold on your own people, perfect if you want to get away with any laws and policies that would have caused a revolution during any other era of this world. I'd almost go as far as to say, he was the ultimate enemy, if he had super human powers.
The "call to prayer" is jet another (not so) subtle reminder of the constant "threat" we're under. This is everywhere these days and the effects are amazing and scary at the same time. We get nervous if we see a person of "middle eastern appearence" carrying a backpack or even something innocent like a mobile phone. We see terrorists behind every street corner and behind every tree, our children are followed to school by at least 30 terrorist-recruiters and so on.
Don't be afraid of muslims. Be afraid of those who tell you to be afraid of muslims!
none of them a Calls of Prayer... at least that is what i heard...
they are all chants in Arabic... maybe Quran recitals or just plain poetry or just songs in Arabic
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The alien force uses the muslim call to prayer, helicopters and other sounds to confuse whoever passes by. In the end , the CIA guy figures that part out and goes nuts when the alien force repeats his flare again and again.
are we still discussing the movie???
and the guy who was praying was saying it in an amazigh accent and were just talking amazigh with eachother and not farsi wich the director should have payed attention to.
any feel of realism is gone.
i hope v2 could be better.
and the guy who was praying was saying it in an amazigh accent and were just talking amazigh with eachother and not farsi wich the director should have payed attention to.
Not surprising - the movie was filmed in Morocco.
But why would they be speaking Farsi?
at the end, I think that horrible dried-up Alien finger
implants the guy with MUCH Knowledge!
Well well well, a hot discussion is going on that i see. umm, you guys seem very intellegent, as it is clear from the way you speak your mind.
First let me introduce, I am a Muslim myself Mashallah (an expression for praising God).
Now first let me tell you guys that the sound of 'Allah-o-Akbar' is called the 'Azan' in other words "Muslims' call to prayer'. If you can know its meanings its really nice.
And specifically Rajah, putting a tough comment that you should play a star before hitting a missile, well Rajah if its your religion do whatever you want, because i am not supposed to comment on that. And yes, Muslims' call to prayer, has been wrongly conceived as when some "terrotist"- which always Muslims are target of- puts an attack he recites it. It is a wrong person doing a wrong thing. Because the call to prayer is never used in this regard.
Just for the sake of proval, 'Bismillah' and islamic expression meaning " Beginning in the name of Allah', in the Holy Quran it is placed before every Surah (/sub chapter you can say), but it is not placed before the one Surah, in which Allah has odered to defend and so, it is because the Surah begins with the word/sentence, meaning to kill. Now you can imagine that how wrongly, people, terrorists (who call themseleves Muslims), film directors and so the other people concerned, use this word and other Islamic expressions. Which is in total contrast with the teachings of the most Holy book of Muslims " The Holy Quran ".
If someone says that you should run to your places of worship under attack, it is solely his idea!, not what Muslims are taught religiously of.
And if someone says that, the Prayer sound makes him feel creepy, well i dont blame you, because it is what the world or the people who really want you to know that Muslims are BAD. Muslims are the terrorist, Muslims did the 9/11... Muslims did this .. that.... Don't you even think why 2000 Israelis were missing on the 9/11, well i can't make a staunch stand on that, because i can't prove it. And also do you think that agencies like CIA, FBI and so dont have the capability to do virually ANYTHING ? Who knows if Bin Laden was trained? trained by foreiners or the one deployed by them ? Moreover just to let you know that Bin Laden is a family whos business was in the oil industry and so do the Bush family, so now you can imagine what could have been done. And so do the Iraq war, Afganistan, and all that... for oil.. because the Muslims had the oil the amounts which America didnt have, and now, when the resources would deplete, it would be first of Muslims, as they are deprived of it.. Well its a long talk which can continue very long.
And let me comment on the Taliban issue a bit if you don't mind. Who knows 'Taliban' were made during the cold wars or when USSR invaded Afghanistan? Just think, innocent Muslims, not so developed, they may have resources but dont know how to utilize them optimally, now if i am a smart person, why can't i brain-wash them, and use them as a resource to defend or to attack ? These people how did they get so much weapons, modernised.... Don't you ever think that there could be agencies or a network of highly highly effective and influential people behind that? If not watch " Lord of War" you may get an idea what i am saying. And if you would agree with me, then there are a number of people smarter than me !!
I would just like to add that whenever you see a movie about Muslims or so, or about any religion, keep in mind that it is from the mind a single person or persons (director, story writer etc), so before making up strong comments and beliefs, just give it a little and neutral thought. And also i'd like to add that, the bombings and all that... Muslims were staunch believers of their religion, some are now too. But if you get away from a religion a bit, using my smartness, why can't i brain-wash you on the basis of religion...if i know it good? So people just think, it is the person who is wrong, or the peole behind him who make, him do wrong things...not the religion or the community. And if you are MADE to believe so, by the media and all that, Ponder... just ponder... why...could there be any dedicated persons/agencies/communites doing that....
One more thing to give you guys a point to ponder, it is in historic and holy books of Muslims that, there is going to be a war, and battles and some other things like that, in which some historic/holy persons would be involved. Now - not in the Holy books - as my knowledge is a bit weak, i can't tell you where xactly, but stories are... that jews have developed an airport on the very same place, where in historic books....there 'leader' could flee.
In the end, forgive me if i offended anybody, or if i did any mistakes...
Prayer is a way of showing respect to things greater than you, things unknowable to you.
The soldiers are there to find and kill "bad guys" and to shore up their national position for a war. They are practical and skilled. They have respect for one another as soldiers, and empathy for one another. They place great faith in their equipment and their own abilities, and little else. They do treat the locals in a paternalistic fashion (I know better than you and will tell you what to think), and I think because they are soldiers a lot of people then interpret the film as agreeing with that sort of behaviour.
The locals have a healthy respect for God, and the dangers of the unknowable world that surrounds them. The voiceover states that their local guide is probably the most valuable member of the expedition, as his real world knowledge can easily trump a piece of equipment that might break. And in fact, that turns out to be true.
The call to prayer is a reminder that there are things out there that are unknowable and more powerful than we are. If the knowledge of the locals had been treated with respect, the end result would have been far different wouldn't it? In a way, the call to prayer as used in this movie is a warning. There is a powerful thing out there, and you would do well to treat it respectfully, and treat those that know this thing respectfully. You're focusing on the wrong danger (Taliban in the hills), when all around you there are signs of something more powerful and more dangerous (God/nature).
My dear, ok you may knwo better than me, be happy. But the thing is, the person who started the thread said, the sound freaks him out. it sounds creepy. Thus one person has to say that sing a song before you do killing.... And by the way, thanks for telling me for what i know (not sarcastic). But if you read above, discussion wasnt going that way. So you might think that, if only 1out of 15 person or so, understands what is true, and others dont, so isnt it better not to portray things like that.... you agree ?Jefair?
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