Ending makes no sense


For the entire movie, Reynolds character hates his father. At the end, he sees a home video where his father shows him some affection and his hatred goes out the window and he wants to be part of the family again, and have a relationship with his father. Makes no sense.

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Let's just blame hip hop and act like that's the big problem

"Mickey, he y'kn-- he takes a punishment.........I dunno why he does it"

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The fault of a kid?

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But he was a kid....

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"Well, he wasn't that bad when he was a bratty kid, but as an adult, he was as much of a jerk as his dad."

yes sir!

But in this case we know where the hate start...

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Having grown up in this kind of family I think it makes perfect sense. When we are young and hurt we see everything that happened from one perspective. When we are older and look back we see things we chose to overlook, and we see them through kinder more understanding eyes. This movie was very touching to me, and very truthful.

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That is very true. I grew up in that type of family as well. Michael wanted to get his side of the story out and that was all well and good but he realized especially with his mom's affair and her not being able to take it either that there isn't a bad guy and a good guy but everyone is imperfect. Some just more so than others and his dad although he messed up a lot did love him.

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Holistic gardener I have to agree with you having grown up in a dysfunctional family myself, only it was my mom I had issues with. When we both grew older I saw a different side of her but remnants of the old mom still existed unfortunately. We never really made our peace so I was glad in the movie that Ryan's character learned before he was too old and his father was gone too.




"Sometimes you have to know when to put a cork in it."
~Frasier

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First of all, the kid was not at fault at all... just responding to a very, very bad situation.

Here's something I find interesting about the home movies showing a loving dad and happy times (none of which we saw throughout the whole movie). Shortly before that scene, the point was emphasized that Lisa hated to have her picture taken. Also, in the closet scene, Michael's dad said to Michael, "She saved everything." It struck me that a woman who doesn't like having pictures of herself might actually get rid of them, including home movies, or edit herself out of them. Yet, here is this one home movie depicting what seems to have been a very rare moment for the family and between father and son. I wonder if she kept this not only for herself, but because she knew her son would see it one day and that it might help him.

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I hate getting my picture taking but would never edit myself out of pics or movies.
One, cuz that would be pretty neurotic and weird and two, I do want my kids to have some memories of what their mom looks like.

I don't think it was the mom's doing intentionally, it was for the plot, so we could see the dad as having two sides. Maybe the kid had a faulty memory and that was the message. Maybe he only saw the bad or saw them worse than they were and STARTED to realize that when he saw the film, I dunno.

The kid is definitely not at fault and the dad was beast from what we saw and no one is a beast 24/7 so there were bound to be some good days and times and that's what I think we're supposed to see along with Reynolds.


"the only way through it is through it " -Jackson Browne

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He realizes during the home video that his father is not JUST a monster, but a troubled man that loves as much as he`s capable of. It`s a great ending, because at that point their relationship may or may not improve, but it`s the beginning of healing the hate that`s hurting only Michael himself.




Only the gentle are ever really strong ~ James Dean

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I agree. I grew up with a family very similar to this. Cruel treatment by my father, and a mother who should have saved us all and left, but chose to stay... and I paid the price for it over and over again.

The feelings of hate and running away are strong, yet same with the feelings of being stuck and trapped and just existing one day at a time because what can you really do?

There were some scenes in this show that really hit home. The whole "I'm sorry and things will be better now". Or the being hurt so badly that it hurts to move. And realizing that any excuse any parent made to cover it up just is completely unacceptable... yet during the time and the situation, the excuses were always accepted, or considered good enough and the paged turned to a new day and a new awful memory yet to be written.

But then also the scenes where time has passed and you are grown up and not the victim anymore. And you see the parent more aged, vulnerable, and then there are moments you see that parent's positive traits... even though there was once a time you never believed any were there. Then trying to reconcile all of that - the man who you had come to know as a monster - someone only capable of inflicting pain, is also a man capable of kindness... and you realize that you do in fact have good memories. You just did have to search harder for them, but they are there. And now what do you do with that?

As with my father, (although mine died) the time comes when all those painful memories that you were holding onto, as though they were the sum total of one's childhood experiences, no longer seem like something to carry around anymore. Like how Michael (Ryan Reynolds) burned his novel, leaving those memories in the past and choosing not to continue to carry them into the future becomes something you find yourself doing, and in doing so, it's almost liberating.

There was a time I once only hated my father and everything he did to me and my family. I thought that out of everyone I knew, when his death came, it would be easy for me, as I thought I had disconnected myself from him. Severed any emotional tie. Yet in fact I found myself in pain. And all those good memories I forgot existed, were the ones so easy to find. All of a sudden,all the painful ones lost their vividness. Dropped to the wayside. Not forgotten, but not... I really don't know. They just seem like old stories now. The reality of the present, the current seems to be more important. More significant.

And strangely, my father's last name, which I have carried throughout all my life and always hated, all of a sudden I am no longer ashamed of it. My father died a different man. A man I couldn't hate anymore. A man with his own pain and regrets.

I think the ending (and the movie in whole) was so well written. Deeply moving to someone like me who can find so many similarities and parallels to my own life. I haven't cried so much watching a movie in years. And as sad and painful as it was watching this movie, it was profoundly comforting as well. Even therapeutic when you still have some open wounds, questions, confusion, and a whole lot of stuff you just don't know what to do with.

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He couldn't remember a time when his father ever loved him. In the video he sees his father hugging him and is reminded that his father actually does. And because of that moment he decides to destroy all the evidences that could actually hurt his father.

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I have just seen this movie again and don't see much of a reconciliation between father and son.
At the end of the movie, when Michael and Kelly are leaving and say goodbye to the rest of the family, father and son are only very polite to each other.
Specifically when Michael asks his father whether he is happy to become a grandfather, the father only says: "Your mother would have been very happy". To me, that implies that the father doesn't really care very much.

As for burning the script of the book, I think Michael does that more for Jane's sake than for his father. Why that is, is lost in the 20 or so deleted minutes of film.

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I saw the beginnings of a reconciliation as such, and for those two characters it is a huge step as subtle as it may look on the outside. When you have a fractured relationship for so long, giving into the idea alone of letting go of your own bitter and twisted hang ups is very hard to do even when your intelligence tells you its the right thing to do. I thought those last scenes between them was spot on, just the right level of tension and awkwardness with little gestures and expressions peeking through to suggests that they have eased off each other and there's a recognition that it's a starting point for them both.

"Your hatred energizes me - Bring it on, and watch me RADIATE"

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There was some good acting here & there in this film, but I think it could have been so much better.

Was it the editing or what?

It seemed like there were issues hinted at, but never really explored, so the story just didn't congeal for me.

Maybe there was something left on the cutting room floor that should have stayed in (?)





"We would have been fine, if there hadn't been any.....mess"

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I just saw this movie today and although I found some scenes to be very touching, I'm still a little confused about the point of the story. The whole movie the father is shown to abuse his son and at the end he burns the book after seeing one home movie of his dad hugging him?

From reading all of your comments, I too think something must have been edited out or something. I found the acting to be really great and I could relate to some of the dysfunction in the family. But, I sort of scratched my head at the end and wondered if I had missed the whole point the movie was trying to make.

I felt like there was this sort of creepy under tone of when Michael and Jane were kids that something was going to happen between them. Anyone else get that vibe? I was SO glad it didn't (or at least it wasn't shown).

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heyjude423:

"I felt like there was this sort of creepy under tone of when Michael and Jane were kids that something was going to happen between them. Anyone else get that vibe? I was SO glad it didn't (or at least it wasn't shown)."


Yeah. I got that vibe, too -- except it felt to me that something may have already happened.

And, yes, I'm glad that if it DID happen or MIGHT happen, that it wasn't shown, but I could have done without that hinted 'vibe' all together...






"We would have been fine, if there hadn't been any.....mess"

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