I just find it so amusing how women claim to want perfect equality, a utopia where gender isn't even brought up because everyone is regarded as a person rather than a man or a woman... and then out comes the "Women's Television Network." Oohh, CSI is a good show! Let's go make the girl version! Oohh, that show Shark looks good, but it has a MALE LEAD!! Let's go make Canterbury's Law and watch that instead! I can't wait for the Girl Version of House, i'm sure it'll be a hoot. After all, even though House has to report to a female department head and has both male and female members on his team of equal intelligence, it's still a sexist male-dominated show!
Want to know why these shows do so poorly? There is no need for them. Most guys like myself DO want equality in genders, most women want equality in genders, and this show is not that. It's a tacky girlified version of CSI that's just unnecessary and annoying. If you want equality, why do you support the pointless segregation of genders? You don't want to be regarded as "a woman" and yet you do everything possible to draw attention to that fact. THAT is why these shows sink like the Blücher in 1940. It alienates and annoys men, and it annoys the hell out of women who are fighting so hard to achieve absolute equality and can't quite get there because of this idiotic self-segregation.
Now if you want a show like this, go watch CSI like a normal person, and let the men and women who actually know the definition of a perfectly equal society go fight for it. With you at the guns you're only hurting yourself.
Oh, and as for the last bit, i'm a 20 year old Canadian and i've got a 21 year old Venezuelan girlfriend, and we've been together for three years now. She's in med school, abstains from sex before marriage like me, and is sexy as hell. Don't you dare try to make me out to me the sexist one, because I want an equal society as much as anyone. And you, my lady friend, are just another enemy in that fight.
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freakshow20
16 years ago
"I can't wait for the Girl Version of House, i'm sure it'll be a hoot."
It's called "Grey's Anatomy." Duh.
Haha, that's all.
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kariangel18
16 years ago
"I can't wait for the Girl Version of House, i'm sure it'll be a hoot."
It's called "Grey's Anatomy." Duh. "
LOL good one freakshow20...but I think were both waisting our breath on this guy that claims to want equality...
*Sighs* where are all the real men at... :P
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DrSamba
16 years ago
*Sighs* where are all the real men at... :P
They all have boyfriends. :-)
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kariangel18
16 years ago
...Yes and men have their own TV network too called SPIKE TV incase you didn't know. My point wasn’t to get into some gender war with you that I could honestly careless about. Nor was it to argue over hypothetical shows like "Canterbury's Law" which, by the way I've never heard of.
My point was that you can't judge a show as sexiest because it's made up of mostly female leads when just the opposite happens all the time. I mean I don't see you getting upset about shows that are male dominated...since you’re claiming you want equal rights and all...
The only men that are alienated and annoyed by such shows are one's like yourself...who are uncomfortable with their own masculinity. Oh and your obviously even more uneducated than I thought if your claiming that a television show is the perfect definition of an equal society.
Good for your GF...at least one you will be successful, but don't hide behind her credentials, why don't you get some of your own. It doesn't sound like your doing much if you have to brag about what your GF is doing. Tell her from me that I hope she finds a worthier guy than you to spend her life with.
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tsaalyo
16 years ago
Canterbury's Law is a courtroom drama, recently cancelled after one season due to abismal ratings.
I have no problem with a show with mostly female leads, as long as it's the ORIGINAL show, not a girlified version of a successful series that came first. I'd be just as annoyed if they made a Sex and the City or whatever with all male leads. A show is bound to have more leads of one gender or the other, and I have no problem with it either way because the actors should be chosen for their ability to play the role, not gender. But when a show comes along that seems to exist for no purpose other than to ditch one gender for the other, it becomes yet another show based purely on gender which annoys men and women. You can say "oh it's based on a book by a man", but 90% of the audience either doesn't know or care. All they see is a carbon copy of CSI with women instead of men, which is not only annoying for the blatant gender thing, but also for being a knockoff trying to sponge off the popularity of another show.
You'll notice if you reread that I was arguing that these television shows are the perfect definition of self-segregation, not equality. If this show was about equality I wouldn't be here. I was also saying that perfect equality would be NOT looking at gender whatsoever, regarding people as people, not men or women. There are more men in this show? More women in that show? Makes no difference. THAT is a utopia which will never be achieved through inverted-gender carbon copies like this. You'll of course say "it's just tv, it's not life", and to that I say: TV greatly influences the world. Par exemplez, shows in the 80's featuring several African American leads to make North Americans more used to the idea of them being equals. I think we can agree that racism is much less of an issue now than it was then, so clearly it worked.
As for me, i'm in university myself, getting a BA in International Business and Global Development. Not as impressive as majoring in Neurology, but you've got no right to try to doubt my education.
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kariangel18
16 years ago
That is not true, I would say 90% of the audience watching the show is watching it because they ARE fans of the books. I also do not understand where you are getting that it is a copy of CSI.
CSI deals directly with crime scene evidence, a little bit of stuff in the morgue, and a bit of police work. WMC deals with a detective, an assistant DA, a reporter, and a medical examiner. There is a difference between a CSI and a detective. The cast of CSI bases there cases strictly on the forensic evidence they find. WMC uses their expertise, their close friendships and their instincts to solve murder cases.
There are going to be similarities no matter what crime show your talking about…there are only so many different branches in the legal system. You could say CSI is a spin-off of Law and Order if you wanted to. I mean if your gonna open it up into a broad category any crime show on TV can be a spin-off or related to any other one in some shape or form.
If you are going to call it a spin-off of any show, I believe it would be closer to “Sex in the City.” When you look to the heart of the show, it is not about crime or solving the case…not in the sense of CSI anyway. WMC at the end of the day is about four women who share a bond and common goals and interests. They use their friendships, and each other’s strengths to work the cases; where as CSI uses the DNA found on the bottom of someone’s shoe.
We can go round and round this topic forever but were never going to see eye to eye so lets just agree to disagree…I believe we both have more constructive uses of our time. I am sorry if I insulted you, but I was insulted and hurt that you would call the show one that was “made by a bunch of lesbians” because the lead roles were made for women. It is fine if you do not like something, I get it…but it is totally wrong for you to put down something someone else likes just because you don’t like it, for whatever reason….
FYI "Women's Murder Club" executive-producers are James Patterson, Robert Nathan, Brett Ratner and Joe Simpson. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<ALL MEN.
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darkavenger77
16 years ago
I'm a guy & would watch the show even if Angie Harmon wasn't in it. I don't see the whole gender issue. Since it is Women's Murder Club, I would not expect to see males in lead roles. It boils down to what and how the show presents.
I don't see the comparison to CSI. That show deals with the crime from the vantage point of the crime lab people who are able to solve a crime by inputing some small piece of evidence into a supercomputer and instantly getting the suspect's name, photo, credit history, phone log, etc. Ask anyone that has actually worked/dealt with this and they will tell you that the supercomputer is super fiction. Real life suspects don't keep a current address and most of that other stuff requires a subpoena/warrant which in themselves take days to weeks to obtain and serve and weeks to months to get records.
Don't want to get started on Shark, with prosecutors doing the work of the police! Yeah, right, why is there even an LAPD?
WMC on the other hand dealt with the crime from the cop's point of view with added insight from the ADA, the reporter, and the ME. They all were friends and used their friendships to network through the investigation. I find this far more realistic than the far-fetched stuff on CSI, which otherwise is still for the most part a good show. On WMC, I liked the male partner and always liked Rob Estes since his days as a cop on Silk Stalkings.
The saddest part of network TV these days is that good shows like WMC are canned in a season (especially a short one with a writer's strike) yet the endless parade of human debris on display on the "reality" shows keep on originating/renewing. Speaking of CSI, there is also the $600,000 per episode the star of CSI is paid! This is $13.2 million for one "year" (22 episodes) BTW.
Angie Harmon is a right-wing RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST
Still not seeing the problem!
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kariangel18
16 years ago
Fantastic points, darkavenger77!
I must also thank you for being a real man, lol. A least one guy on here isn’t afraid of a show with women in the lead roles. I'm so sick of guys like tsaalyo who can't handle shows like WMC because they are uncomfortable with their own sexuality.
Also, great point about the CSI "super computer." I am a criminal justice and psychology major, and many things they do on CSI is not standard procedure or realistic. Of course, I know it is only for entertainment purposes and they only have an hour to solve the case, but it gives the wrong impression about criminal procedures to the general public. There was actually an article out about a "CSI effect" that is now happening. You should check it out. The article is about how shows like CSI make people specifically (jury members) want a "smoking gun," or an open and shut case all the time wrapped in a neat little package, which hardly ever happens. It is a pretty interesting article...
Silk Stalkings was a great show I remember watching that with my mom when I was about twelve or thirteen and thought that was the coolest job ever lol. I wanted to be Mitzi Kapture.
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rycki1138
16 years ago
I'm a guy too and I watched this show. The reason I watched it was because I liked the books it was based on. I have read all the Women's Murder Club books and the Alex Cross books, too. I didn't start watching this show because I thought it was going to be a "CSI" clone with women in the leads. I already knew who the characters in this show were because of the books.
Also to the poster that said that Grey's Anatomy was just the female version of "House":
I also watch Grey's Anatomy.
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newslaws
16 years ago
Women's Murder Club was hardly a carbon copy of CSI.
It was a police procedural but it was significantly different from CSI (far less in the way of emphasis on labwork etc)
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Navy_Lou
16 years ago
tsaalyo: Did you ever possibly think that some of us don't like CSI and are fans of WMC because we enjoy Patterson's novels? You know... James Patterson, the writer who is not a group of lesbians... It sucks that the show is getting cancelled. I liked the actors and the stories.
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tsaalyo
16 years ago
I'm sure you and the other 20 like-minded individuals feel that way whole-heartedly, but most of the viewing audience sees it as a carbon copy of CSI, switching men with women to cater to the 50 year old moms miserable with their lives.
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kariangel18
16 years ago
NOT A 50 YEAR OLD MISERABLE MOM BTW....I'M 23 BUT THANKS FOR TRYING...NEVER BE ON A PSYCHIC HOTLINE YOU WOULD SUCK AT IT!
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tsaalyo
16 years ago
Caps lock is a wonderful thing, yes. Also, notice how only like four people have replied to this thread, and it's by far the most active thread in this board? Sorry girls, it's indicative of the fact that i'm right.
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kariangel18
16 years ago
Wow, they must have some really good drugs in Canada for people like you... On the other hand, maybe your imaginary girlfriend sends them via the mail? You must have a really sad and pitiful life if all you do is come on here and make fun of things that other people like. I really hope your "girlfriend" can find some better meds for you, I think you have become delusional. So from here on out I am just going to ignore any comments written by you. I should have never tried to call a truce with you in the first place your obviously not mature enough to handle one. I take back my apology, and pray that whomever this unfortunate girl is that you are supposedly dating wakes up and sees how much better she can do than you. Though it's pretty sad that you have to get a girl from a foreign country to date you...
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tsaalyo
16 years ago
Yes, because that's what everyone says when a guy has a latin girlfriend. "Ha, you couldn't get an American so you had to lower the bar." Gee, that seems racist, don't you think? I'll be sure to mention this to Gaby so when you go into her office for birth control pills she'll give you tic tacs.
And no, I don't just come here to rant about something other people like. I come here to put in their place the people who try to say that shows are cancelled because networks are stupid or because nobody knows it's on or because there was a writer's strike. Other shows that ran this year went through identical roadblocks and guess what, they got renewed. There's only one reason (barring the bankruptcy of an entire network or the death of someone) that a show will get axed, ladies and gentlemen:
NOBODY IS WATCHING.
Deal with it. I'm sick of people coming onto these forums and complaining to the three other people reading them that a network is stupid and that a show is awesome. If a show was awesome, people would watch it and the ratings would be high. It's real easy to create an illusion that a show is insanely popular if four people come on this forum and just complain at each other, but in reality, four people talking loudly is still four people.
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Navy_Lou
16 years ago
Yes, because that's what everyone says when a guy has a latin girlfriend. "Ha, you couldn't get an American so you had to lower the bar." Gee, that seems racist, don't you think? I'll be sure to mention this to Gaby so when you go into her office for birth control pills she'll give you tic tacs.
Way to go there flaunting your intellegence.... "I think you guys are all stupid because you only like a show because you are sexist people who want women to dominate the world, so since I'm mad at you and think you have no brain, I actually wish to see you procreate."
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lilkunta3
16 years ago
most of the viewing audience sees it as a carbon copy of CSI,
How are you so sure of that?
I think fans of MrPatterson's books are the viewers.
Now if this was "lipstick jungle" or "cashmere mafia" then it would be a different scenario.
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Re: WMC Canned! by - tsaalyo on Mon May 19 2008 21:13:01
I'm sure you and the other 20 like-minded individuals feel that way whole-heartedly, but most of the viewing audience sees it as a carbon copy of CSI, switching men with women to cater to the 50 year old moms miserable with their lives.
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drinkinstien
16 years ago
I personally think it is funny that you think that WMC could be a "female carbon copy of CSI" when The novels started coming out BEFORE CSI. So, in that essence...wouldn't it be the other way around? CSI is more of a male dominated rip off of the novels written by James Patterson. It is even funnier to me that people get on here and talk about something that they OBVIOUSLY have no clue about. So, get it right, WMC came first. Its not confusing...not like the whole chicken and egg thing. WMC came first, then CSI. Also, its pretty freakin hilarious that you claim to be so equallity blah blah and you talk like you do. You're about as bad as the person who claims to not be racist because they have friends or family from another race and then happen to be the one standing next to you at the next white sheet covered rally. Talk about moron. To those of you who are letting an absent minded ignorant dumb a** get to you...hes a child...he knows nothing...and to let someone like him get your feathers ruffled doesnt make you much better. No offense.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
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